Ghost Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 On the BD ink thread, ativalet had a video of an Indonesian band. I only played the first two songs and it got me thinking. When D&BC/bands from anywhere in the world play muisc that other corps/bands played here in the states, who does the arrangements? I guess corps/bands in the states could be using music from groups around the world also. Did these groups pay someone for the music they wrote, was it written by their own staff, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) On the BD ink thread, ativalet had a video of an Indonesian band. I only played the first two songs and it got me thinking. When D&BC/bands from anywhere in the world play muisc that other corps/bands played here in the states, who does the arrangements? I guess corps/bands in the states could be using music from groups around the world also. Did these groups pay someone for the music they wrote, was it written by their own staff, etc.? Unless a unit utilized the exact same musical arrangement of a song , Bands/ Corps, I'd imagine, are free to play any song from another Corps without royalties involved nor any concern at all to the unit playing the song.. ( Copyright issues being a separate issue altogether, of course ). That said, I have heard some marching bands play arrangements of Drum Corps iconic classics, and the arrangement was eerily similar to the arrangements played by that Corps. ' Not sure if that Band did or did not pay for the rights to that arranger to utilize that exact arrangement of that song however. Some arrangers that write music, write for several Bands/ Corps, both here and abroad. They're paid by these units for those services. Some songs are played that others play, but its simply more of a coincidence than anything else, it would seem to me, Ghost. Edited July 2, 2015 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Blue Stars played Phantom Regiment's arrangement of amazing grace at Dr. Dave Kampshoerer's memorial service this Spring in LaCrosse. You may want to talk to Brad, the director, about any royalty fees; but since Dave was a DCI HoFer and an all-around great guy, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that PR said, no fee, our honor. Of course, how many zillions of bands (and even corps) have played Jim Wedge's arrangement of Danny Boy, the one he wrote for 27th Lancers. If I hear it once in the NYC St. Patrick's Day parade, I must hear it about two dozen times over the six hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c mor Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 On the BD ink thread, ativalet had a video of an Indonesian band. I only played the first two songs and it got me thinking. When D&BC/bands from anywhere in the world play muisc that other corps/bands played here in the states, who does the arrangements? I guess corps/bands in the states could be using music from groups around the world also. Did these groups pay someone for the music they wrote, was it written by their own staff, etc.? That sounded exactly like the old BD version to me. A while back BD went to Malaysia and held system blue clinics. Probably some friendships were formed and arrangements about arrangements were made. Just my speculation only, I have no factual knowledge. There is quite a bit available for purchase these days. Or, if copyright issues are not a thing for marching bands in Indonesia, it could have been transcribed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) I would imagine that enforcement and collection of monies for violation of US Music Copyright Laws would either be impractical, or in fact illegal in countries that have no such Music Copyright Laws. Why would Indonesia ( for example ) honor US Music Copyright Laws, when the US does not recognize ANY Indonesian Law here in the US ? They don't. So my guess, an Indonesian Band/ Drum Corps could probably play any US Music Composers- Artists music they wanted to, and not be compelled to pay a rupiah (dime ) to anyone. Edited July 2, 2015 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesmusic Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 It depends. There are many arrangements published by groups like Hal Leonard, Arrangers Publishing Co., etc. that are not done by the original arranger. Key Poulan also publishes a lot of stuff he did for SCV. There are also a ton that are transcriptions without permission. Those can actually cause serious copyright issues for the corps, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c mor Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I would imagine that enforcement and collection of monies for violation of US Music Copyright Laws would either be impractical, or in fact illegal in countries that have no such Copyright Laws. Why would Indonesia ( for example ) honor US Laws, when the US does not recognize Indonesian Law here in the US ? They don't. So my guess, an Indonesian Band/ Drum Cotrps could probably play any US Music Arrangers music and not pay a dime to anyone. I agree. I wasn't trying to cast any sort of blame, only saying that anything on the continuum was possible. Since BD had been in the area, it could range from straight up paying for an arrangement, to transcription. And, like you said, they probably don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 It depends. There are many arrangements published by groups like Hal Leonard, Arrangers Publishing Co., etc. that are not done by the original arranger. Key Poulan also publishes a lot of stuff he did for SCV. There are also a ton that are transcriptions without permission. Those can actually cause serious copyright issues for the corps, unfortunately. I know Roxbury H.S. of Succasunna, NJ did his arrangements of Scheherazade almost the season or two after SCV played it. Some SCV alums who watched the show with me felt betrayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I know Roxbury H.S. of Succasunna, NJ did his arrangements of Scheherazade almost the season or two after SCV played it. Some SCV alums who watched the show with me felt betrayed. I was curious.... SCV did Scheherazade in 2004, then brought it back again in 2014. Did Key Poulan write both versions of Scheherazade for Santa Clara Vanguard ? or did SCV utilize 2 different arrangers for each version of their Scheherazade ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Poulan wrote the earlier version that the Marching Gaels used for sure. By 2014, JD Shaw was at SCV. Someone else would have to comment on the more recent arrangement.. Several years back, Roxbury H.S. commissioned a piece to be composed, The March of the Gaels, by a British composer whose name escapes me but whose resume` includes a number of film scores with which most are familar. The commissioned piece (for the symphonic band) included quite a few sections which would be great on the field for both a corps and field show. However, the band director who headed the program has moved on to Rutgers faculty and the following director cast off previous ways and never attempted it. Some corps should. Edited July 2, 2015 by xandandl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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