Northern Thunder Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Sigh. That's like not knowing the difference between a cornamuse and a rauschpfeiffe. I had some at a German restaurant last night......delicious! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleran Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 .........and bugles can be in Bb. WAY, Way, way BITD many to most were. And I have one (silver-plate). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 Fran... i'll get you a video That will help, for sure. I'm not up to speed on bore sizes and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84BDsop Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 That will help, for sure. I'm not up to speed on bore sizes and such. A trumpet is one of my shirts....a bugle is one of YOURS! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevingamin Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 From a layman's point of view I think one is louder than the other. Just a guess. Being a percussionist I know nothing about those blowy trumpety things... It's not so much that they're louder, it's that their sound reaches farther due to the shape of the bell, which gives the horn more of a megaphone property than your average trumpet. The takeaway, however, is that it's harder to play the horn in tune and with good tone, making it more difficult for the horn line as a whole to play with balance and blend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone-Tone Lord Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 That will help, for sure. I'm not up to speed on bore sizes and such. Well, I just looked up all the models of trumpet I currently know are used in drum corps (including both of Kanstul's G models- I'm pretty sure Les Stentors use one of them, and they have the same numbers listed anyway- one has a "powerbore," but they don't explain what that means) and compared them to this one for bore and bell size. Here are the results: Yamaha YTR-4335GS: .459" bore, 4 7/8" bell Yamaha YTR-8335S: .459" bore, 4 7/8" bell Jupiter Quantum 5000: .460" bore, 5" bell System Blue SB10: .459" bore, 5" bell System Blue SB12: .464" bore, 5" bell Tama by Kanstul KTP: .470" bore, 5 1/6" bell Kanstul Model 100 and 102 Powerbore: .470" bore, 5" bell Andalucia AdVance Series Phase III (includes two models, identical except that one uses Kanstul's powerbore, which is still unexplained): .469" bore, 5 1/4" bell The Andalucia horns seem to be identical save a slightly larger bell and a shepherd's crook, which is an aesthetic/ergonomic feature (it makes the instrument slightly shorter than a regular trumpet, and is described as being intended to replicate the look and feel of a cornet). It's the same as the difference between an open and closed wrap F attachment on a trombone- none save for the look, although one takes up a little less space. Given that baritones, euphoniums, tubas, bass drums, and guard equipment extend much further from the body than trumpets anyway, it really doesn't make any practical difference. The larger bell might make things a bit louder, but considering what the larger bell on a sousaphone compared to a normal tuba does, it may not be an improvement overall. Ultimately, I doubt we'll really hear a significant difference as a result of the horns, and if we do, I don't think we'll be able to tell the difference between a change in equipment from last year and a change in instruction or overall skill level from last year. Considering I'm marching in a corps that goes on later than them this year and won't see them until championships anyway, I'm highly unlikely to really be able to listen to them anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrothgar15 Posted May 27, 2016 Author Share Posted May 27, 2016 Well, I just looked up all the models of trumpet I currently know are used in drum corps (including both of Kanstul's G models- I'm pretty sure Les Stentors use one of them, and they have the same numbers listed anyway- one has a "powerbore," but they don't explain what that means) and compared them to this one for bore and bell size. Here are the results: Yamaha YTR-4335GS: .459" bore, 4 7/8" bell Yamaha YTR-8335S: .459" bore, 4 7/8" bell Jupiter Quantum 5000: .460" bore, 5" bell System Blue SB10: .459" bore, 5" bell System Blue SB12: .464" bore, 5" bell Tama by Kanstul KTP: .470" bore, 5 1/6" bell Kanstul Model 100 and 102 Powerbore: .470" bore, 5" bell Andalucia AdVance Series Phase III (includes two models, identical except that one uses Kanstul's powerbore, which is still unexplained): .469" bore, 5 1/4" bell The Andalucia horns seem to be identical save a slightly larger bell and a shepherd's crook, which is an aesthetic/ergonomic feature (it makes the instrument slightly shorter than a regular trumpet, and is described as being intended to replicate the look and feel of a cornet). It's the same as the difference between an open and closed wrap F attachment on a trombone- none save for the look, although one takes up a little less space. Given that baritones, euphoniums, tubas, bass drums, and guard equipment extend much further from the body than trumpets anyway, it really doesn't make any practical difference. The larger bell might make things a bit louder, but considering what the larger bell on a sousaphone compared to a normal tuba does, it may not be an improvement overall. Ultimately, I doubt we'll really hear a significant difference as a result of the horns, and if we do, I don't think we'll be able to tell the difference between a change in equipment from last year and a change in instruction or overall skill level from last year. Considering I'm marching in a corps that goes on later than them this year and won't see them until championships anyway, I'm highly unlikely to really be able to listen to them anyway. Really cool! Yeah the bore is very noticeably bigger--almost indistinguishable from a G soprano. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shofmon88 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Those are some good numbers. However, this isn't just a numbers game. The difference in tone and projection also comes from the shape of the bore and bell. Trumpets have cylindrical bores. This gives a trumpet a more piercing, "brassy" sound. A cornet has a conical bore, which means the bore gradually increases in size down its length. A conical bore instrument will produce a warmer, darker sound. A bugle, including Andalucia's has a conical bore like a cornet, but it has a much larger bore size and bell size, which allows the instrument to sound louder and project further than a cornet, but with a different timbre than a trumpet. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeHair Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Absolutely Correct !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liahona Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Those are some good numbers. However, this isn't just a numbers game. The difference in tone and projection also comes from the shape of the bore and bell. Trumpets have cylindrical bores. This gives a trumpet a more piercing, "brassy" sound. A cornet has a conical bore, which means the bore gradually increases in size down its length. A conical bore instrument will produce a warmer, darker sound. A bugle, including Andalucia's has a conical bore like a cornet, but it has a much larger bore size and bell size, which allows the instrument to sound louder and project further than a cornet, but with a different timbre than a trumpet. Put this horn in the right hands and they are going to sound great IMO...I personally really like the timbre of these horns... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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