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    Emoting in the pit. Emoting on the field. The best emoting comes out the end of the horn, not from a facial tick disguised as a wink. (Thank you, 2016 Academy!) The best emoting comes from equipment tosses, beautiful choreography, and "Files" of ripped visuals. Back to work...
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    This is an interesting idea to discuss, because it forces us to pull out of the comfortable and ask why things are, in fact, the way they are. My personal ones are: Slide Whistle = comical. That went out of fashion in the 40's. Drumline Feature bunny hops and bug stomps - it's fake aggression, and if everyone does it, it loses its effectiveness Guard soloist reaching for the sky at the big ballad chord cutoff. Again, it's so overused, and in every possible context, that it has no meaning anymore. Mike
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    Arrangements, whether pop, jazz, or symphonic, that take a couple bars of the original and are filled in with dissonant fluff, with the obbligatory 16th note park and blow technical passage. If it was good enough to put in your show, it's probably good enough to use a larger portion of it. Just play the tune, man.
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    A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON A GREAT CORPSThe Cadets have endured a lot of crisis during their 83 year history, but we were not alone in that respect. The Boston Crusaders for most of their history endured one catastrophe after another; and each one set them back in their goals due to lack of finances. Still, through each one they closed ranks and continued on. Now, suddenly they find themselves being criticized because for probably the first time in the life of their corps finances are no longer a problem for them. I have no idea how this good fortune materialized, nor is it any of my business. With this new-found financial freedom they have become very aggressive in attracting additional instructors and support staff, and in attracting members from other corps. Good for them! This reminds me very much of the early years of Star of Indiana, except Star began with good fortune and strong leadership, and never had to endure the kind of things that my corps, The Cadets, and our respected friends and competitors over the pre-DCI years,The Boston Crusaders, had to overcome. At the time Star was heavily criticized for, as their critics perceived it, having "the best corps that money could buy." They too aggressively recruited staff away from other corps, and attracted members from those same corps with "stars" in their eyes. Now The Cadets and Carolina Crown find themselves the unintentional "victims" of Boston's good fortune. I believe their reactions to the staff/member enticements Boston now finds itself in a position to offer are understandable. Perhaps Boston has been too aggressive. I don't know. What I do know is that The Cadets, and Carolina Crown, and now Boston will overcome any resulting difficulties. I have to admit though that I find it very difficult to be critical of Boston. Over the years I have watched them struggle, rise and fall competitively, and be viewed by many comparatively new to the activity, as "also rans." Nothing could be further from the truth. I am incorporating a reference to Boston's earlier years, taken from the book "DCI - The First Decade," written by Nick Waerzeggers, layout by Steve Vickers. This book was commissioned by DCI; however it never received wide promotion or circulation for reasons not relative to what I am writing here. This information on Boston appears on page 36 of the book. It is an excerpt from an interview with Jim Centorino, Boston's horn instructor recounts their condition in 1971:"Located on the southwest shore of the Charles River, the Magazine Beach Boat House was the only facility the corps could get for free. A miniscule building the size of a two-car garage that was vacant during the cold winter months was "was perfect for the corps." The building had no heat and the bare cement floor absorbed all your warmth through the soles of your feet. Bugle valves seized, lips froze to mouthpieces, drummers' knuckles looked like gray ring pops. Clouds of exhaled breath hovered everywhere. The honor of managing the miniscule mob fell into the hands of George Bevilacqua and Dan Rinaldi (the third and fourth directors in two seasons.) Theirs was the task of trying to rebuild a "Giant." Since they had no corporate sponsorship and no financial infrastructure , the corps ran on fumes. Once while collecting dues I thought of taking $10 for horn instructor pay, but forgot the whole thing when it was announced that the corps' truck was out of gas. None of us would be paid financially." None of this was known, nor cared about, by most of the drum corps leaders of the era. They all had problems of their own, and no time or resources to help out a desperately poor corps like The Crusaders. Well, their kids and their adult leadership persevered, and I believe though I have nothing to base it on, that it was during these years of deprivation, they began to take pride in their status, and they began to think of themselves not as hard-time strugglers, but rather as "Giants." You know something...that was exactly what they were. This was just one of many challenges they faced and overcame over the years. They are a very old legacy corps (if I'm not wrong, the second oldest continually competing corps in the country.) I have a difficult time after so many years of remembering what seemed like a never-ending series of catastrophes which they met as they always did...as "Giants." I seem to remember a fire that destroyed everything they had, and a truck break-in where they lost all their equipment, and so many others it would seem like I was exaggerating to the point of being ridiculous if I could remember enough to recite them all, or even to be completely accurate in the ones I mention here. Cadet Alumni are probably most sympathetic to what Boston has endured, because our corps has a similar history of overcoming our own series of internal and external catastrophes. We too were often hovering on the edge of survival too many times to recall. Now Boston suddenly finds themselves financially stable with an all-alumni (I think) Board of Directors running the corps as a business rather than as a day-to-day, hour by hour, minute by minute group of penniless "Giants." There is one other thing that most of the current members of Boston and The Cadets are unaware of, because it happened so very long ago. Boston Crusaders evolved from The Most Precious Blood Crusaders, and The Holy Name Cadets and Most Precious Blood were bonded by personal and corps friendships. We stayed in each other's homes, we cheered for each other at contests, we not only respected and admired each other, but in a way, we were two corps in love with each other. Strange to put it down on paper in that way, but that was the way it was. So, if Boston is now, perhaps, overusing the financial windfall they currently enjoy, try to be a little patient and remember all they have gone through to reach this point. I guarantee that the waters of the storm now building will soon become more gentle; and all three of these great corps will emerge better for their current experience.
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    I even hate the word emoting. It's right up there with moist. Moist emoting would just be awful.
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    The 35 performer rule isn't designed to grow or expand DCA. It's protection for show sponsors, and it's a very good rule, ensuring they're not paying appearance fees to a non-viable drum corps (which happened prior to the rule's implementation). If an organization cannot meet that 35 member minimum, there are other performance avenues available to them.
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    Enormous pretension by show designers who think an 11 minute field performance by musicians is an appropriate venue for philosophical or dramatic discourse. Get out of the way and let the music play.
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    if bloo doesn't come out with jetpacks, it means they just don't care about their fans
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    On the topic of non-2017 program news, the Cavaliers' WGI Winds group, Chromium Winds, won their division's title and Fan Favorite in their inaugural appearance at WGI Championships. Congratulations on your 8th title, Cavaliers!
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    I jumped back some pages to get caught up and saw this, so I haven't yet read subsequent pages. We wore Boston shirts Black, Red Leo, for two reasons: 1. In honor of BAC's great drum lines and the corps' grit and determination. 2. It was just a cool shirt. The year was 1976, and it was multiple shows, including finals week. I aged out in 78, so I don't know about later years. I made it a point to pass on to others our respect for Boston.
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    . Congratulations Blessed Sacrament ( Cambridge, Ma. ) ! Blessed Sacrament, a recent joined member of the Inspire Arts & Music Group ( Parent Organization to the Boston Crusaders ) medaled earlier tonite at the Winter Guard International. Championships in the World Class Division. This is Blessed Sacrament's 1st medal since 2007 in their long and successful competitive endeavors in the World Class Division of WGI. They finished 3rd earlier tonite. Congratulations to Dolores Zappala. Meg Gallagher, staff, and especially the performers for their fine year, and medals finish. Congratulations are also in order to the Pride of Cincinnati Guard for repeating as Titliests in this World Class Division earlier tonite. Boston's newly hired Visual Show Designers for 2017 ( Keith Potter, Michael Townshend ) are part of the Show Design team for the Pride of Cincinnati Color Guard. Congratulations as well to all those afilliated with Pride of Cincinnati for their Championship winning Title earlier tonite.
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    The copyright and arrangement licensing can be a big part of it. There have been times when a group had to drop material because the licensing fell through... But the biggest reason today for doing so (as the Bluecoats did last year) probably has to do with preservation of a concept. Some experiments are best served in secrecy simply because knowing about it and having the time to talk about it also gives the opportunity to malign it unfairly before it's given a chance. Imagine if the word had gotten out about some of the things that the Bluecoats did last year... Even after the concept was successfully proven and found to be highly entertaining, there are still detractors on the uniforms, choreography, and set pieces (quarter/half pipe slides). Can you imagine how defeated they would have been if the Internet was provided the opportunity to determine the impact of these design elements before they were given the opportunity to be proven in action? I think there is a correlation between early access to the concept and premeditated judgement for some (if not many shows). I don't know... but I wonder if the Cadets would have suffered as much as they did on the reading of their program if they had been a bit more quiet about their design last year. There was an AWFUL lot of finite conversation about their GE way before they played their first note last year. I think that the bigger the risk... the better the secrecy. And I'm betting that there will be a little more risk taking this year than in the past. That could be good... it could be bad... <<<<< but you can see right there (the idea that risk taking cold be good or bad), the kind of pre-judgement that can occur for absolutely no good reason (made even worse with partial information and imaginative hype/spite or a combination thereof). I can even point to one recent post in particular concerning a DCP patron that suggested that they heard about the concept for the Bluecoats this year and they now seem to have low expectations... That really isn't a possible finite place to arrive without having actually seen/heard anything. But that's what we fans do.
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    A good way to rejuvenate Indy is to sign on FloMarching to produce DCI live streams, which due to their quality will force people to attend shows in person again.
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    I think it's a good thing that corps seek now permission to arrange music. I think it's a good thing that those composers and publishers get paid accordingly. I think it's a good thing that arrangers and publishers get paid by production companies that want to sell records, CDs, DVDs and live streams. I think it's a good thing that DCA (and DCI, USBands, BoA, etc.) now require their performing units to secure the appropriate arranging rights. I think it's a good thing that those same circuits, along with show sponsors, now secure the appropriate performance rights so those corps can publicly perform said music legally. Additionally, I think it's a *very* good thing that Tresona, along with the many music publishers and rights holders, cut DCA and DCI a *massively* huge break to avoid litigation over the many decades of copyright abuse by the circuits, show sponsors, and individual corps. The only reason you are going to be able to enjoy drum corps going forward is because of that huge break. You have no bloody idea how close we came to the entire house of cards collapsing. I also think it's a good thing that my corps, along with countless others, will survive to continue providing our great activity with places to perform, music to play, and opportunities for audiences to enjoy them. If you are not pleased at any of what I've just stated, I really don't care. Enjoy your recordings. I'll enjoy mine knowing how fortunate we are that those recordings and performances didn't sink DCA, DCI, and my own corps in a giant heap of unwinnable litigation.
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    but some say they went out on a limb barking up the wrong tree.
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    It is! It's pissing off less people year by year
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    Wow, I'm feeling old now! OK, so That Guy, Mr. Crocker is the only announcer that DCI has ever officially had. He's an institution. As the activity has become artsy, Brandt hasn't. He still announces like it it is a cross town rivalry grudge match. Many here get P.O.'d at the way he intro's "Phaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaantommmmmmmm Rrrrrrrrrrrrregiment" with the flem gurgling in his throat, but I love it. Ya' know why? Because he intro'd them that way in 2008 when he was as, or more, excited than the fans. Now, when I hear it, I'm taken back to that night, in that stadium, watching that corps. And I get goose bumps.
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    Well, what makes you cringe, and what is cliche, can be two different things. Cringe: Overdone drum-major salutes. Cliche: Batteries that flex their muscles, fire guns, wipe away sweat, etc. after a rip. The Bridgemen beat you all to it, and could back it up, so just don't.
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    The hornline not playing for a few minutes after the initial "big hit" of the show. The new normal in show design as of late.
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    Not a chance such a show would even get off the drawing board today. Different times & different tolerance levels for controversial things now. Most people just took it in stride and chuckled when a northern Corps ( Bridgemen) turned the tables by Championships week, and instead of the North winning ( as they had all season long ) the Bridgemen depicted the South winning. Today, that would be considered verboten and not a " chuckle " moment. We currently live in VERY serious times... lots of folks on edge. We need a Velvet Knights in DCI more than ever before, imo. The DCI shows are really getting more and homogenized and oh so serious, & dark of late. We see this in many of the WGI shows now too. Lots of anger, angst, dark themes being depicted, etc and so forth. Its one reason that the Academy show was so well received last season, imo... their show started out with bleakness at a grave site, then soared with a happy wedding in the end. To no surprise, most people tend to respond better to optimistic things portrayed in shows... especially if the show ends on an optimistic note re. the theme depicted.
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    I suspect we will get quite a few announcements this weekend. Last camp weekend for a lot before move ins.
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    Performing their 2017 program "Not Everyone Is Gonna Get This... OK, Most People Won't"... please welcome the BLUE KNIGHTS!!
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    Hey, I never thought of this to add credibility! Great idea! OK if I use it, too? This from a poster who is currently, and has been for over a decade, directly involved with hosting a DCI WC show... Potential show host: "We'd like to run a WC show." DCI: "How much do you have to spend to get corps to your stadium?" PSH: "We think we can cover a contract of $xxx." DCI: "Here's the list of 6 corps for your show and the total cost is below your contract limit." PSH: "But there's not a single top-12 corps in our show! Our highest placement was 12th! We can't sell tickets to that show." DCI: (literally) "That's your lineup if you want it. Take it or leave it." PSH: "Can I trade these two for just one top-12 corps?" DCI: "Contracts are not negotiable, but you can change your date to earlier in the season to lower the cost." PSH: "But the football team is in the stadium..." DCI: "Umm......." What corps are paid per performance is a function of their placement in the prior year and at what point in the tour your show is taking place. There are, essentially, four tiers of prior year placement in the pricing, and early-season shows are less expensive than late-season shows. As an example, we generally have 3 or 4 top-12 and 2 or 3 from 13 on down. This year we are especially pleased to have Pacific Crest and Seattle Cascades in our show, along with Bluecoats, Crossmen, and several others. Our show is July 31st, so we pay a premium to have a show. It's been fairly common that a similar show has cost us $28,000 plus or minus, in the past. Again, show hosts are not permitted to negotiate with corps on either schedule or cost. And there's no "guarantee". As DCI has said to us many times, "You're paying for a lineup" and, if the host doesn't pay the contract prior to the show, the show is cancelled and the corps don't perform but the host still owes the contract price. The only way a show can be cancelled is if the DCI administrator at the show declares the weather so bad that not even a stand-up on the track by one corps cannot be performed. If that standup is done in a drizzle to a nearly empty stadium, the full contract price is due. EDIT: As one might imagine, this incongruity of show host has been a point of contention in the past, specifically as part of the G7 plan which did away entirely with the local TEP hosting scheme. Of the about 106 or 107 shows, 55 to 60 are run by either DCI or the corps. The other 50 or so shows are run by shows whose profit does not, necessarily, help drum corps. Those profits help the, typically, schools that take the risk and pay the contract, then get their music programs involved to sell the event all over their community. The music program gets the profits from the show. Besides the contract payments, if the show does better and makes more money, the corps don't get any of that extra, the music programs do. Forty-five drum corps shows all across the country, and about that same number of drum corps mostly congested into general areas. Another very real issue is the incongruity of the message when DCI has 100 different "music games" going on each summer. But those are usually the actual, local touch that DCI has with the communities, 45 or so of them, that host drum corps shows as TEPs. Five, eight, ten bands all pre-sold by the local host band...that hundreds, maybe thousands, of direct contacts that drum corps has with schools that they get nowhere else. IMO, the notion that the existing corps would be able to replace TEP hosts is not feasible. And, while its true that George can sell them tickets to our show from Allentown, he loses the greatest proponent he has - the local band host looking to make a profit for his music program. I, frankly, have no idea where that spiel came from but, now that I've said it, I'll return to work.
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    http://www.dci.org/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=33500&ATCLID=211566796 My immediate reaction?
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    This great news for SCV and drum corps in general. This may be the final piece to push Vanguard into the medals!
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    they got a big "your GE trumps your dirt" pass last season. imo those sort of passes are only good for one use.
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    The Israelites finals show in Jericho in 1400 BC. I've heard they brought the house down.
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    \ I was there in 1983, we didn't come to the aid of any other corps but our own. As the horn line marched off to find a place to warm up, they passed the projects where a young thug asked a girl horn player to blow him instead of the horn. She told him to F##K off. He went back and got a number of gang members and went searching. The drum line, which was smaller than the horn line (not by much) took the brunt of the attack when they recognized the uniforms. the drum line had a girl was 10 years old. They instructors came running and eventual sirens started, so they ran. The injuries were bruises and scratches, we were very lucky that was it. To be honest, most of the kids ran, I didn't blame them, these animals came with pipes. But for a few older vets, the drum line was very young. All the instructors and management were mostly alumni, thank god they all ran into the fray, instead of out. I was still shaking as the corps was performing lol.
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    some people are IMPOSSIBLE to replace what an amazing man...
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    I just returned from this weekends ACADEMY BRASS Camp, OMW. Michael KIesh and I are from the same neck of the woods In Massachusetts, He writes for UMASS Minutemen out of Amherst and one of my favorite Corps, Carolina Crown, I Marched the Minutemen (Simplex) out of Gardner, Mass. 1966-72. On first read, Mr Klesh's Musical arrangements for the 2017 edition of THE ACADEMY and their performance simply left my heart dancing with joy. The musical book a note filled, intricate, intense and extremely demanding. I believe it will most certainly be judge pleasing, and surely to be a fan favorite. Yes, THE ACADEMY's Most Seasoned Corps to date, will be challenged, but I believe with time, talent, commitment and its incredible work ethic it is up to the tasks of actualizing Mr. KIesh's and the Creative teams vision. . On first blush, the initial impression is the show has the potential, IMHO to leave his "Drum Corpse Bride." crying tears of joy. Now as many of you DCP'rs know from my previous submissions, I'll be the FIRST to admit that YES, I tend to hype, no apologies. I've been touring with this Corps since it's inception in 2004! YES, I DO tend to get overly excited, YES, I tend to get extremely emotional, But when I left the stadium last night, my best "review" was on display with, and please pardon the expression of this Old "Corps Relic"... a "view" of my Nipples Erect! : - ) ENJOY!
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    I just burst out laughing thinking of it.
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    I would lean toward: (a) Show designers feeling compelled to answer questions no one has asked. Example: "What IS a Circle?" Answer: It's a two-dimensional polygon comprised of an infinite number of sides located equidistant from a common central point-- now shut up and play!! (b) Narrators trying to outdo each other using techniques gleaned from the William Shatner School of Spoken Word Performance: "To FEEL the presence of, dramatic pauses...to reachoutand...touchhhh me...today! Spo--!! But...(whisper) why....?" (c) The deliverance of some underlying moral message, often using beatnik poetry or dialogue from Kung Fu and usually accompanied by a soli dancer: "As the flower shall seek peace within the shelter of its own shadow, so shall the bumblebee design and build its own food processor..." OR "May the Blessings of the Oneness rain upon you as the Lotus blooms from the Navel of the Siddharta."
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    Guard member emoting while carrying around a helmet/shako.
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    since when is new fans or fans making connections and seeking knowledge a bad thing for any activity? not everybody who has become a dci fan in the past few years is familiar with its amazing history, and it's pretty stupid to expect them to scour dcp making sure they don't bring up what we might've last talked about several months or even years. on a side note, one of the most stunning moments in dci history happened to me last year with crown. the first taste of medea is actually not something that star even played. klesch took some liberty with the chord structure in that opening hit. but the last medea hit was pretty much exactly what star played almost a quarter of a century ago. i can't describe how much it impacted me when i heard it the first time in june.
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    I'd do anything to hear a corps play a full 3-minute opener in their show this year. Just one!
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    He seems pretty chill.
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    2017 Program: Victoria Falls 2018 Program: Five Corners 2019 Program: Farm Works But I'm personally most excited for the 2021 show about Jason Bourne.
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    If you sing those songs backwards, you get your girlfriend back, your job back, and your dog back. ;-)
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    I think back to the days marching with a local-circuit corps, and remember how several of those local corps (including mine) were... uhhhh... not exactly stellar. LOL. And I wonder if there could be a "pick any show you wish you did NOT see live"... I could fill 10 pages.
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    Wow.....really? Something is too fun for the field? Jeez, no wonder there are certain stigmas about DCP. I guess hearing Bernstein, Copland, Stravinsky, or some other beat to death composer on the field for the ten billionth time is okay but heaven forbid we hear a little Metallica and it's "too fun" for audiences. And if anyone has a hard time finding the pulse in that video, yikes. Might wanna get theirs checked. Kudos for Genesis for straying away from the cliches and giving us some music with a little more variety and life. And I think we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves, IMO a corps can have any theme or selection of music it just comes down to the presentation of what they're using. I can think of a few corps in recent years that looked really ridiculous and like it couldn't work on paper and they turned out.....well one of them has a championship. Let's see how they present it. I have a feeling like the last few years Genesis will be just fine in terms of audience engagement. I think I, and many others, will really enjoy what they have to offer and there won't be any golf claps for them.
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    Wood you all quit it. I'm sure the Oregon Crusaders get your point. Leaf them alone.
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    Soooo......it is exactly 6 weeks until Spring Training starts for BAC in Vermont (and a bit earlier for the drum line). I am going out on a limb and predicting they will finish somewhere between 1st and 12th. Thoughts?
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    So the Cadets are playing The Hokey Pokey this year because everybody knows, that's what it's all about. They better arrange the hell out it. Al least the body visuals are built in. ;)
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    Things on my list... 1... I am interested to see where The Company stacks up against DCI competition. As a member of Kidsgrove Scouts (a corps that is perennially battling it out with CO), it will be interesting to see how the European activity compares to the American corps and see just how competitive DCUK and DCE actually is. 2... Will this be the year that Santa Clara makes the jump back into being a contender? This corps has too long of a history and too many titles to be perpetually in 4th to 7th place. Also, Blue Knights... I think they have been knocking on the G7 door for some time now. 3... Visual identity. Will corps follow Bluecoats lead and switch to more WGI type uniforms as a whole? I can see certain corps do it (the likes of OC, Colts, Blue Stars and some OPen Class groups) but will corps such as BD, Santa Clara, Cadets, Phantom et al dare to break away as Blooo did last year? 4... Instrumentation. What new voices are we likely to hear (outside of electronics)? Coronets, British brass band style tenor horns etc... 5... What will the effect be on the Cadets and Boston with regards to the mass exodus up I-95 from Allentown be? Will Boston suddenly make a jump or is it too early and much ado about nothing. Is it the faculty or the system that makes Cadets so successful? Consequently... Crown. What will the effect be on them losing so many visual staff members be?
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    Unfortunately some of the very best stuff suffered the wrath of the hose. And I'm not sure cutting is always easier (although it is easier than trying to fill a vacuum . Better to write complete musical thoughts to the correct length then to lobotomize a longer complete thought afterwards. Of course in today's DCI it's not uncommon for some programs to actually start out with lobotomized musical thoughts Anyway -- hearing early season Cadets was always a treat.
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    And this is why our forefathers gave us DCI finals in Whitewater Wisconsin. They had a lot of wisdom and we should have listened to them. Yes, all regionals should be relocated from Texas and Georgia and other such nasty summer places, to the more agreeable moderate climates of Wisconsin
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