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In a way, yes. Someone is holding a gun to my head, and I don't like it. If I want to stay apprised of the discussion about the Cadets in 2018, I have to suffer the malice of the many who use this thread for mayhem. Oh, they may pause occasionally for honest reaction on artistic topics. Mostly though, they're here as prosecutors of the inquisition - an inquisition that predates DCP and in which there was no crime and is no guilt. Blame DCP if you want for this stupid - and it is stupid - catch-all thread approach. I never understood why y'all thought this was a good idea. Then again, I don't agree with most of what transpires on DCP. The persistent negativity here makes me doubt whether y'all actually like drum corps. But that's where we are. If I want to know what's being discussed on DCP about the Cadets, I have no choice. You should be ashamed of yourselves. HH

Really? You know better. Prior to last year, the Cadets design team (Gino, Colin, Jeff, Jay, etc) was together what? A decade? And you know what happened last year. A death in the family. Money raining from Massachusetts. Among the reason why Cadets are leading staff everywhere is there was no room at Cadets for so long for young talent to move up. You people have this entirely backwards. HH

so explain the people prior to Boston money? Rarick at Bluecoats is a cadets alum for example.Surely a play could have been made to bring him home.

You’re hilarious

I can't help it. I see this out and about now, and I think of You Know What :

ok so then a question....why arent the Cadets doing more to keep that talent at home?

To further clarify regarding home grown: TJ went to BD after 1982, a year she was with Boston. 82 was also a year where BD had Jay Murphy on staff also previously with Boston.

If you keep going backwards in time, on the west coast, a lot originated in Casper WY, and Stockton and Anaheim CA.

this thread has become so................. idiotic. hop side vs. non hop side. gett lives people. it is drum corps. I chuckle at both sides every time I rarely check in here. pathetic put more effort into things that truly matter, I trust that if people did not not want to work with mr, Hopkins............ won't kids that don't want to march under him won't. I stated my case pages ago and it got deleted. to reiterate in a nutshell. I am a fmm, after had business dealings, nothing but class. but the direction now nah, I respect him, he actually shaped a bit of who I am. but, I also will not attack his integrity. I think the man deserves respect. that said. I also think he needs to rethink some things,

Actually if you have experience with USBands it is not all difficult to understand. The bands in the 'A' division are on supposed to be evaluated primarily on their performance level than their design elements. John was then talking about the circuit evaluating a band that is an 'A' band to improve their performance, but who already have a top-level design, and that they fall down there in their evaluations.

' Having an Open Class.. separate from World Class... makes sense as it accommodates perfectly those Corps that stay within their resources, and for those Corps to operate in an environment that is conducive to what they perceive as their primary mission ( distinct as it is from the World Class Division Corps ). Plus, quite a few of the Open Class Division Corps are in far better financial shape and stability than some of the World Class Division Corps are currently. Many of these Open Class corps operate smartly within their means, thus in many cases being able to serve the needs of youth in some cases for far longer than many of the former World Class Division Corps that are now but a distant memory and as a regrettable result no longer serve ANY youth of any levels of ability. So no, lets not tinker with whats not broken. The Open Class Corps have found themselves a Division that for many of them fits their budgets, goals, needs, and mission just fine.

80 85 (that's when they used a ton of colored cymbals, right?) 90 2000 2008 (use to like 2006 and its a great show but it doesn't hold my interest, think 2008 was a better design but it felt a bit stale at the time, hindsight and all) 2010 (might be their best drill ever, look for an overhead cam view)

if you had said that 5 pages ago, there'd have been no argument

My work here is done....

West Coast would be nothing without these....

and brought Thom Hannum in from Crossmen as well

i got it. i refuse to give your attempts at humor credit

Says the fan of the corps run by a Crossmen alum, who built their success on key staff acquired from Crossmen and 27th Lancers.

Corps migration between Corps of staff and marchers has gone on in DCI since DCI began in the 70's. George Hopkins himself ( as many long time DCI followers here no doubt know ) wasn't " home grown " in the Cadets. He never marched Cadets. He marched, and later came to the Cadets, from the Crossmen. Colin McNutt did not cut his teeth in Drum Corps in the Cadets. He started out Marching Boston, and on the staff at Boston, before years later being hired by George Hopkins and the Cadets for the Cadets Percussion line. The pivotal moment is the DCI emergence of the Cadets in the early 80's was when George Hopkins was able to secure George Zingali away from the 27th Lancers of Massachusetts. Zingali was an outstanding drill designer at the time. These are not zero sum games. Once George Hopkins secured Zingali to the Cadets to write his visuals at the Cadets, the Cadets soon took off placement wise,( and 27th Lancers with this key loss were never quite the same, went into quick decline placement wise, then folded). Every DCI corps is chock full of staffers/ marchers that began their Drum Corps initial experiences not in the Corps that they made their mark as staffers later. And yes, even the Blue Devils have key staffers/ staffers/ marchers over the years that did not start their Drum Corps experience in the C, B, A Corps of the Blue Devils Organization. Some did. But most of them there didn't. So there really is nothing new under the sun here regarding the annual migration of staffers and marchers between Corps. In such migrations where there are no compensations between Corps for the movements between Corps, there will naturally then be " losers " and also " winners " in these such annual migrations of staffers/ marchers. You want to be on the winning end of these migrations, not the losing end. BD has been.. and has little turnover of key staffers there. To the Cadets credit, for over 35 years they have been on the winning side of these annual migrations of staffers. marchers. ... again, that began when a pretty much down and out Garfield Cadets Drum Corps was able to secure the services of George Hopkins to run the operation..... George Hopkins from the Crossmen... and he then he put his new Corps ( for him ) back on the path to greatness there, to his credit..

I! Am! Not gonna clean my room!

Thirteenth Amendment?

I mean, I get it, but... I can watch finals performances of every 2017 corps on YouTube right now. DCI just isn't benefitting from it. If they hosted the videos themselves they could at least use YouTube's monetization systems. I'm just saying, they probably need to find a different way to recoup those costs. They'd benefit more from putting this stuff out there themselves.

oh BROTHER. Longtime heir (as in 18 months) You mean B $$$$$$$$ D Why can't BD develop their own talent? Or Boston? Or Crown? Or Coats? There's a topic!

the applicant / hire may let you down. I've hired people who have been late their first day, say they will give "100%" and give "50%" etc. Claim to be "great motivators" or "leaders" and it turns out they inspire know one Both share the responsibility. Hiring someone is an art, not a science. And sometimes you pick the "best available" which I think was the case here.

Gino Cipriani will be on this same show/forum...SUNDAY OCTOBER 22nd....it is not even CLEAR to me how to actually listen to these shows...whether you need to be a member and where you actually go to watch or listen...It's also VERY difficult to share Facebook link off of Facebook... I am sure attendance would be MUCH improved if this information was spelled out in better detail. Cool though to see this initiative was started by a former Crossmen and Crown drum major...

Boston probably wouldn't want to take on the Cadets current debt. It'd be a drag on them. So its a non starter. My.., have the times changed since that G7 thingy was floated out by GH as a proposal, huh ? Seems like a long time ago now.

Would love to watch and listen to just one more of Dan's horn lines create some major "structure damage" (for old time's sake), and maybe re-invigorate the drum corps industry.

Seeing will be believing.

Cadets should have gone all in after the back field props flipped...should have revealed a new second choir hanging from crosses singing "always look on the bright side of life..."