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  1. 4 points
    As we can tell, a few DCP'ers still want to derail the thread to make it other than what the focus should be, ie.. a petition drive to get the decision makers in the Corps and within DCI itself to do more than it currently is doing in providing a safe environment for marchers. Any attempt to make the thread as a tic for tac between DCP posters.. some of that going way back between them.... should be disregarded as most likely a deflection technigue. These DCP'ers would like this thread to be about their longstanding gripes with other posters on DCP, and by extension their dislike for this petition drive. Its neither however. We should not allow such distractions, imo... its been a civil discussion so far the last 24 hours, and for the most part, stayed on topic. Most people seem supportive of the petition drive, and its importance. Even the ones who do not support the petition, are being respected with their desire to not support it ( for one reason or another ). We've come a long way here on DCP on this thread in the last 48 hours... where initially, the petition, its originator, and its supporters were under a lot of crticism here on DCP by some posters. Thats mellowed a lot in these 48 hours, so progress it seems to me is being made here on DCP with this. Most other social media sites have been very supportive of this petition, and right from the outset.
  2. 4 points
    I shared the link to this thread to the DCP Facebook page
  3. 3 points
    no budgets are cumbersome already and will further divide the activity into the haves (bingoistas) and have nots (everyone else.) housing of corps is already difficult. 150 layed out sleeping bags, mattresses, and cots is already pushing the limit where corps have been given permission to stay. Any increase in members will increase costs again (Not every school is a Texas mega-factory.) those in favor have probably never actually written drill and visuals for actual competitive units particularly DCI or Grand Nationals contenders. While the bands have reverted to the pods of participants moving while the rest of the unit stands idly by, DCI scoring does not reward such unemployment even with those units who seem drill challenged for their retirements mid show, the park and barks, the stand and plays, etc. DCI needs more movement to make the shows interesting not less like some huge humongous college band of wood winds. Increasing membership removes the demand of most of the performers while sections become soloists and those others await in lounge chairs their two minutes actually on the field. The only ones benefiting from such increase are Yamaha and the fabric mfgrs. Is the OP a lobbyist for them now?
  4. 3 points
    Like when I posted about dci stepping in for financial reasons why not this
  5. 3 points
    I'm not sure these arguments are helping the issue anymore. Sharing the petition on social media will be a better use of everyone's time. If someone doesn't like the petition, that's fine. They don't have to sign it.
  6. 2 points
    Exactly - any rules change needs to look at all the consequences. When the pit was allowed, within a few years everyone was getting concert marimbas et al, & all of a sudden needed another truck to haul them. Same with electronics. Someone suggested we should ignore logistical impacts, but I maintain that is the FIRST thing we should think about.
  7. 2 points
    Imagine if this proposal ( much larger Corps ) was adopted.. oh say... a decade ago. I could easily envision 3 of the current top 8 Corps in DCI... and maybe 5 of the top 16, perhaps no longer with us. More than 1 prominent DCI Corps is struggling to keep afloat with 155 marchers in tow with their current budget/ resources that they have. With more marchers, comes more expensive instruments they'd have on the field, even bigger staffs to teach them, more mouths to feed on tour, more gas guzzling vehicles, etc and dozens of additional costs to be incurred if we had even larger Corps than what we have today.
  8. 2 points
    150 is based on current bus capacity for modern-day coaches (53 is common in the busses rented today). Re: the original post, adding 50 more members would do little to improve the on-field production, and serve to increase the amount of drag for each corps when it comes to moving the members around, getting them fed, communications, etc, etc. Theoretically it would help put another 700-800 people in the stands for Finals night, but aside from that, I'm not sure I see a value for DCI in the increase.
  9. 2 points
    Is something broken? You get 150 and make do. You mange costs better and drill has more dynamic movement. And increasing size diminishes overall quality if not for one unit then at least for another. And those corps fighting to recruit and retain have a much more difficult go of it. Why can't some things just be left alone?
  10. 2 points
    units that big on the field look like a mess to me
  11. 2 points
    I marched in a huge college band - there is a point where the field gets just too crowded. Props certainly don't help either. So, I say , go back to 128 members - the idea was that this would only require 3 busses (less carbon emissions, better for the planet, cheaper for the Corps). This could also help increase membership of smaller Corps (Pioneer come so mind) Flame shields up
  12. 2 points
    Again - they have served their time -i.e., paid their debt to society. The fact that most now are put on a 'Child Sex Abuser' list as part of the sentence helps keep track of these individuals. & the databases from one state are supposed to 'talk' to databases from another state. But, as they are generally restricted from living within a certain distance of schools etc, it makes sense for something that is a youth education activity should be very wary of allowing them near youth. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
  13. 2 points
    There is a saying that goes, “An omission of the truth, when the truth is known and relevant, is still a lie”. That philosophy also applies to tolerance, or tacit approval, of an organization or person that omits or ignores an issue such as this. And a person advocating that DCI, which is the corps, which does oversee the corps, which does create guidelines for the corps, to turn a blind eye to this issue by not creating a general policy requirement for all corps to become and remain member corps is a form of tolerance and/or tacit approval.
  14. 2 points
    Well, that about sums it up. See ya next summer.
  15. 2 points
    The decision to sign the petition or not is pretty simple. You’re either for or against sexual abuse and harassment of marching members. All the mansplaining and amateur legal jargon isn’t going to change opinions.
  16. 2 points
    Sort of like your posted response to Gar (which is now posted just before this post)? Reading the quote you used prompted me to respond to the exact same qoute you used. If those are distractions, I was merely following your lead on that one.
  17. 2 points
    I’ve shared it several times on Facebook.
  18. 2 points
    I see the petition is up to 906 signatures. I signed it when it was in the 20s. I wasn’t paying strict attention but I am going say I was number 27.
  19. 2 points
    I am still amazed at the outrage over this petition. It's not even the least bit egregious. This is something LONG past overdue IMHO that if you are going to tout creds as "educational" and "youth" you better CYA and have policies in place. DCI puts all kinds of requirements on competing units, this isn't a stretch or a bad idea even. The amount of butthurt (outrage) seen here over a "petition" (that's not that bad IMHO) seems a tad over the top and perhaps there is more to this than we all know. Thou dost protest too much methinks....or something like that.
  20. 1 point
    Ok folks, just recently turned the calendar to November and Thanksgiving weekend is three weeks away. Has anyone seen or heard about any 2018 show announcements...even rumors?
  21. 1 point
    While I understand that the subject has been all over the news lately I wasn't expecting to see it on DCP. I have enough confidence in Don Acheson's ability to run an organization like DCI that I don't think a petition of this type is necessary. This seems to be a solution in search of a problem.
  22. 1 point
    Just a slight correction here.... but the man in question was director of that corps before 1975... had been in that position since before the DCI era began.
  23. 1 point
    I want to stress - this is not a rampant, wild, out of control problem. Parents should not assume that every student who marches drum corps WILL be assaulted and harassed. I would argue 90% of the performers have no real issues. As for some examples besides the thoroughly discussed example at Cadets. Someone brought this up: http://www.crossmen.org/joel-moody-bio http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-04-02/news/os-moody-sexy-student-text-messages-20100401_1_text-messages-band-director-female-student It looks like there were never charges filed. So there's no issue with passing a criminal background check. Pioneer also had an instructor who was a registered sex offender. His sentence did not bar him from working with young people. So maybe he got caught urinating in public and got put on the list. I'm also aware of situations where a young-ish staffer got caught with older students. So think 19 year old student, 24 year old instructor. Should the instructor be given a life sentence? No. Should they be able to teach a different drum corps the next year? In my opinion, no. So again, most DCI instructors are fantastic people. Send your kid off to march. I still believe it will be a great experience. And sign the petition and then ask the directors at whatever corps you kid is marching how they feel about the petition. Ask them what their policies are for sexual harassment. Ask how complaints are documented. Ask what the social media policy for instructors is. Ask about background checks. If you and every parent of a DCI performer asked these questions, we would see some changes. These individuals that manage to slip through the cracks will find it a lot more difficult.
  24. 1 point
    If this were to happen, I see them in the guard where the points are.
  25. 1 point
    I didn't know it's a "prevalent problem ". I heard one example - the person Hopkins hired. If it's a prevalent problem can you educate me by citing some other examples?
  26. 1 point
  27. 1 point
    The activity is far too expensive for those who even think of participating. Reduce the cost and then watch to see if applicants are only willing to try for corps that are in the upper echelons. The current costs are outrageous. Yeah, I'm older. Yeah it changes nothing for how I feel as to what it takes to participate in a corps from a financial perspective. Marching is quickly becoming a luxury.
  28. 1 point
    Apparently you are referring to the ancient archaic once-only unique 'legend' of the director shooting a DM that occured 50 years ago or more, the he became a director again in 1975. And that is the basis for your 'not true' claim concerning DCI has a problem with murderers amongst corps staff over the past 40 years. If this thread was not so serious I would now be lmao!
  29. 1 point
    No inside info, but my gut says GH will walk away from the deal with the Office of Leonard Bernstein. It seemed that the deal's many restrictions slowed GH's ability to tweak the show design quickly. 2018 is a year when he will not want his hands tied in any way.
  30. 1 point
    Committed murderers who are released are not being hired by the corps; committed sexual offenders have been and are being hired by corps. Thus a DCI corporate policy to forbid corps from hiring murderers is not warranted, but a DCI corporate policy to forbid corps from hiring sexual offenders is more than needed.
  31. 1 point
    Thats interesting to know,, and as one who is not dialed in to these circuits, I was not aware of this. if these circuits are taking a strong stand on this, Its really perplexing as to why a few people in DCI or fans of DCI would be so opposed to doing what these Marching Band Circuits are apparently doing. Lord Knows, many of these people in DCI tend to support most other things being done these days now in these Marching Band Circuits.
  32. 1 point
    Being released from incarceration does not nessecerely mean they have completed paying their debt to society. A sentence which includes incarceration time (and) 'lifetime probation' or 'lifetime listing on a registry' or 'lifetime ban from teaching' means while they may be out of prison, the full debt to society is not paid until their death.
  33. 1 point
    I think 180 would be a good starting point for upping membership
  34. 1 point
    I'll be at the November Camp next weekend so I'll try to see what I can find out. Can't guarantee anything though.
  35. 1 point
    Yes. I am aware of the technicality that apparently separates that sort of a statement from an actionable offense on DCP, and I have seen it hidden behind many times. That was my point. And yes, accusing people of being "for" sexual abuse will certainly create drama.
  36. 1 point
    This is a problem FAR bigger than Drum Corps - What do you do with unrepentant child abusers once they have completed their prison sentence? And, as these perps are generally convicted in State courts, there are 50 different (+ some territories & DC) approaches.
  37. 1 point
    Probably thinks this song is about him. Don’t you don’t you
  38. 1 point
    LOL! A personal attack would have to be personal. Lots of drama though.
  39. 1 point
    Funny when asking you a decade or so ago you claimed to have never met me. But tho we know the same people that doesn’t mean your name is really George Dixon. See how that can be turned against you and your argument? and given many of the issues you have championed here and on RAMD that you want to push this aside is confusing to say the least. More and more band circuits have clear cut statements and policies that blow away anything dci has done on this
  40. 1 point
    Good morning. Are we all ready for NEXT! 80 year's let's keep rolling
  41. 1 point
    So, it is ok to give the sex offender, after serving time, a second shot at raping more students but not a third; that sounds like a really great philosophy to say to the second kid who gets raped due to the second chance the offender had to be around students.
  42. 1 point
    This sort of dangerous thinking is why a petition with over thousand people needs to be generated, imo ....to be certain that this sort of thinking does not become further embraced by the decision makers among the Corps, and among DCI itself. I believe your opinion, garfield ( which you are entitled too, incidentally) is probably shared by too many decision makers at the moment in DCI... and such thinking needs to come to an end. Especially among the adults entrusted with a heavy duty and responsibility to protect the young, the trusting, and the vulnerable above all else. Thus.... the petition.
  43. 1 point
    We’re just getting started. Share, share, share!
  44. 1 point
    And they won Most Outstanding Music at today's BOA Super Regional with possibly the most talented field I've ever seen in a marching band competition...and they were indeed my favorite. Personally loved them going from Birdland into Medea.
  45. 1 point
    The only potential announcement "hint" I've heard about so far is from Pioneer.
  46. 1 point
    Swing in DCI has not had much of a presence as of late, but Jazz which encompasses a wide variety of genera is alive and well. I just have an issue with the cut, paste, inject, no time for melodic development, visually driven hiccup arranging in most modern DCI shows.
  47. 1 point
    Anybody else here like the 2000 Carolina Crown show... " Mask of Zorro ?. I realize it was during the early stages of the ascendancy for Carolina Crown, and it did not have the polish, music demand, and the MM talent we'd begin to find in their high placing and more successful shows that would soon follow from them in the succeeding years... but Man, I liked their Spanish themed music from this 2000 year from them...aggressive, intense, loud... and with a nice beat, I thought. Is toe taping music bad ? Not necessarily for me... lol!
  48. 1 point
    Oh really? How exactly does someone get a job in today’s market without a bachelors degree? It’s quite easy for people already established or retired to say “nobody’s forcing a gun to your head” But more importantly, what changed so dramatically in the last 10-15 years to justify such a big increase in tuition? You do realize rates are going up 3-5 percent every year right? Why is that?
  49. 1 point
    Huh? So it’s somehow our fault that college tuition is significantly higher than it was 10-15 years ago? And no, inflation has nothing to do with it
  50. 1 point
    I'm much more interested in what kind of show Madison will come out with for 2018 and what type of costuming will go with that program!! I'd still like to see them do a "Men of Steel" show.
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