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I haven't paid for a show since "Yowza". What I developed a passion for is no longer what DCI is. Trust me it sucks, I dream about a 70 person G hornline all the time. I went to the Blue Knights booth to check if they had some alumni stuff and all they had were Clarinet and Trombone shirts.

Wow!! I'm in tears. I miss Cozy too.

The idea ultimately is to get local businesses to donate. If you show them good spirit they'll donate anyway. Play music for the clients that buy a new house. Advertise them on your Equipment trailer. You can certainly display the logo of donors.

990's can be filed and 1099's can be given to members. Not dangerous at all.

You know this still boggles me. I couldn't imagine having enough members in one city to make 2 corps. It's sad the west coast missed out on all those years. I didn't even know DCA existed until 2003.

I'll use this for example. This is an actual listing that is local to me. If anyone brought the listing agent of this property a sale, a deal can be made that the Org. would get a percentage for the referral. In this area it's typically a 30% consideration. Now there are a number of things that you need, A title company, Appraisers, Plumbers, Electricians, Inspectors, Loan Officers, Realtors, Notaries ETC. ETC. All of these professionals are perfect partners and would love to see their business card size ad in your program. Or on the side of your equipment truck. Sell a 1 foot by 1 foot squares to local businesses. Then market to companies who provide services that you need regularly. This deal if an agent received 3% commission would bring a total of $95,250.00 or $28,000+ for the corps. Twice that if they double ended it. My point is a small team of member marketers could bring these deals in on a monthly basis. It's hard work initially but if you give your team a 20% referral fee it's a healthy living and you've made the first step towards acting collectively. This when it snowballs is an awesome tool and you've helped local business and local community members and YOU did the work. This can work with any line of business, Maybe the barber and the carpet cleaner needs engine work. The rule is don't make the person providing the service pay for what you need. If the mechanic can do it for cost plus lunch he may get a haircut for the cost of a tip. or his carpets cleaned just for paying the carpet cleaner some gas money and lunch. I know it sounds weird but sometimes our major expense is food. A partial payment with a safeway or gas card is usually suggested. If you make it more affordable people will come back and frequent you. And spread the word. Then when our members are in great shape financially we celebrate and share our technique. There is no asking for donations, You go out a bring the business in. You ask businesses, If we bring you your business could we get a cut? If you handed an agent this deal below, You could certainly bargain up your fee AND there is no way he'd pass. Now imagine partnering up with your areas largest brokerage and showing a presence at the open houses. You have to have a team that looks good in a suit and go after big ticket donors. Recently Renovated Apartment Bldg--Silicon Valley 925 Pomeroy Ave., Santa Clara, CA 95051 $3,175,000 No. Units: 20 Building Size: 12,869 SF Price/Unit: $158,750 Cap Rate: 6.44% Gross Rent Multiplier:10.96 Occupancy: 95% Highlights NEW PRICE-Great Demographics--Average Household Income of $102,000 within 1-Mile Radius All 20 Units Were Completely Remodeled in 2003 (Including Updated Kitchens & Bathrooms) Close to Public Transportation & Expressways--Within Walking Distance of 2 Parks including the Santa Clara International Swim Center Building Painted in 2007--New Roof & All New Dual Pane Windows Installed in 2002 Low Expenses & Easy to Maintain Grounds--On Site Coin-Operated Laundry Room (New Machines Owned by Landlord)-Units Separately Metered for P.G.& E. Fantastic Location--Close to Shopping & Restaurants on Homestead & El Camino Real; near Santa Clara University Description NEW PRICE, MOTIVATED SELLER! Excellent opportunity to acquire a recently renovated, well maintained 20-unit apartment building in a great location in Santa Clara! All 20 units were completely remodeled in 2003 with new cabinets and countertops in kitchens, new kitchen appliances, new flooring in kitchens and bathrooms, fresh paint, new bathroom vanities and light fixtures, new toilets, new lighting fixtures and new carpeting throughout. Newer air conditioners in most units. The building was painted in 2007. A new roof and all new dual pane windows were installed in 2002. There are two water heaters for the building; both are newer. Each apartment has a covered parking space and a storage space. Common area amenities include a pool, on site coin-operated laundry room with new washers and dryers (landlord owned) and an outdoor barbeque area. Great location in a nice, quiet residential neighborhood close to shopping and restaurants on Homestead and El Camino Real; near Santa Clara University. Close to public transportation, Lawrence & San Thomas Expressways, I-280 and US 101. Excellent demographics, average household income of $102,000 within 1-mile radius. Scheduled Gross Income--$289,800 Effective Gross Income--$281,322 Operating Expenses--$76,788 Net Operating Income--$204,534

Partner up with Real Estate pro's. If you get a Mortgage Loan officer to agree to donate a percentage of his business, Market the heck out of him, Bring them a loan. Have a refi fundraiser. One lucky commercial deal could raise tens of thousands of dollars. But I like the transportation idea. Hmm.

That's why I was asking, If it's too much of a liabilty then maybe a partnership is the key. The idea is to partner up with companies that have a resource that you'd use on a regular basis. Collectives obsess about how to help each other. I ran 1 Limousine that could have easily been partnered up with a Non Profit. I tried to pitch the idea with no success. In CA. Busses are pretty easy to get, They just have to pass the DOT inspections and we'd need someone with a class A license. Maybe I should read Bill cooks book. Do we know if anyone has tried to mirror that model?

You know, now that I remember maybe there is someone who could answer this. Can corps own assets? I know there are liability issues but could a corps own vehicles, Real Estate and other valuable personal property? Would it have to be turned around and sold? Thanks. Has anyone read Bill Cooks book?

So what I'm getting is, it happens. It's what you make of it. Did anyone mix up a marketing plan or membership push? We're you able to attend events that weren't possible before? Did the vets still participate? I'm asking because, I'd like to sit down with a corps that had to face this issue this year. It's not the Gades.

While this is good converstion, The thing that got me wondering was some corps do take time off and come back. This really isn't Renegades specific and I don't support one side more, I was just wondering about the positive benefits. Some good info though.

I know how everyone wishes things would go ultimately, I wish everyone could do a killer show and take it to DCA every year. Sometimes it's just not feasible, So what are some of the success stories? Were you able to pay off equiptment? Debt? What happened to membership? Were you able to line up parades or standstills? Please successes only. Oh yeah, Do you polish a show for 2 years or take your time choosing?

"Bring to Rochester"? BRING TO CALIFORNIA!!!! We are ALL so excited to see you guys this year.

Stop trying to be so innovative all the time. Even though todays kids don't want to hear it, there was a time when there was just Drum Corps. No Electronics, no talking and the instruments were different than band. The line got thinner and thinner between the two and for those not interested in band or band shows got left behind and rediculed for living in the past and not being "Innovative" The fact is Removing G horns, Full retreat, Melodies and adding Amplification, Microphones, Keyboards and talking left Drum Corps fans with nothing. Today you have to have 76 horns to match the volume of old horn lines. That was the beauty, A capable line of kids on G horns sounded like 100 horns, the most capable kids won. By using different instrumentation or trumpets over Sopranos you've eliminated the need to really learn about intonation since trumpets are waaayyy easier to play in tune. Todays marching is incredible but as a fan it's O.K. with me if you slow down and try to give us a more identifiable show. I've marched in a world class drum corps, I understand the sport. You don't have to spell it out for me, Narration is not necessary. Maybe have a class for corps that want to just do drum corps. Or is that DCA? Also what DCI really needs is a more cohesive relationship with DCA, I haven't seen DCI kids supporting DCA shows like the DCA guys support DCI. On the west coast DCA shows go unnoticed by DCI kids because we aren't "World Class" Level.

I think what I've decided is that instead of joining a group, I'd like to travel to a few parades this year and perform with the corps if I could. So please if you have a performance or parade like our little Renegade for a day parade that I would be welcomed to join in on please contact me. The more notice I get the better. I play Mello and Soprano or Trumpet proficiently. I am VERY interested in spending some time with the Kilties and the Govies. I NEED to go to that Drum Corps Bar. Besides, The Kiltie party from De Kalb 2004 has not been dethroned.