ouooga

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    Pacific Crest, Blue Knights
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    lots
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    Cavaliers 2000
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    2000
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  1. 2015 SCV's Pure Imagination should be on that list.
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    Pioneer What Next?

    I somehow had no clue that Troop didn't march in 06. They came back in 07, and made Finals in 09. Seems like a year off might be the best thing some of these struggling corps can do.
  3. ouooga

    Pioneer What Next?

    I believe it just guarantees the spot, meaning they're committed to the money and the corps is committed to not giving the spot to someone else. Don't quote me on that, that's just my interpretation.
  4. ouooga

    Medal Count

    Aside from the tie in Bronze, Blue Devils have the most of every medal type, and they're also the only corps with double digit silvers. Wow.
  5. ouooga

    Pioneer What Next?

    Man, this is seriously the way it needs to be done. I know there's so many voices against this, but let me ask this: If you were going to design a program like drum corps today, and design it to be as sustainable as possible, would you really base it on the design of a bunch of musicians from several decades ago?
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    Pioneer What Next?

    Obviously I don't know everything about every corps, but that just doesn't seem true at all levels. There's definitely some corps that 'get it' and they do it really, really well. What absolutely baffles me is how other corps just ignore what their peers are doing. I said before on here, Blue Devils seem like the smartest run drum corps, and the members seem to resonate with what they're doing extremely well. I cannot fathom how there are corps like Pioneer who can look at the activity and how the Blue Devils run their organization, and then simply think "meh, my way's better." (Purely just one example)
  7. ouooga

    Pioneer What Next?

    Purely curious, what does everyone want/expect DCI to do? I'm constantly advocating that DCI needs to take a larger role in the business of drum corps, from negotiating collective buying opportunities at big box retailers or specific gas stations in exchange for discounts, to coordinating a more regulated tour that involves all corps being near each other all season, to ongoing marketing and public relations efforts throughout the summer that utilize the corps for promotional reasons. At all phases of this, I'm told routinely that the corps are separate entities from DCI, and want to remain separate in all of these aspects. If the corps are so separate from DCI, what is the expectation from DCI in this situation? From everything I've gathered, the corps are so separate from DCI that there really isn't much DCI can do, other than maybe revoking status or barring from competition, which doesn't actually help anyone.
  8. I appreciate the second post. Thank you for that. Re: the bolded part, you're not deficient, you sound like a drum corps fan who just doesn't 'get' a show. A lot of us don't get some shows, and even some corps in general, and that's ok. Me liking one thing and you not liking that thing makes no difference, which is cool. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong, it just makes us us. I will say, I have no knowledge of music outside of what I learned in school/drum corps and that's been well over a decade. I also have no interest in learning more, it's just not something I want to pursue. This summer I've been to one drum corps show live, three live jazz shows of varying quality, a few well known bands from the 80s and 90s, and far more drum corps shows on live stream than my wife would care to admit. I can tell you absolutely nothing about the hows and whys, but I can tell you I enjoyed them. And I enjoyed SCV a ton this year. I like the visual a lot, I liked the parts that gave me goosebumps, and honestly I liked the music, which I haven't stopped whistling for a few days now. If I was hard-pressed, I could probably figure out why I like those things, but at the end of the day, I'm not too interested in the why. I gravitate toward what I like, and that's good enough for me. It sounds like you enjoy/appreciate the music side more, and probably have a different pallete for what that entails. For that reason, there's a real chance that you and I are going to have different enjoyments from drum corps. So, to round this out, I have absolutely no way of defending SCV's music or discussing much of the pieces you mentioned, because they're in your wheelhouse. But I can say that, for what I go to drum corps shows for, I enjoyed SCV, including the music, and that's enough for me. Again, thank you for the second post.
  9. ouooga

    Pioneer What Next?

    Knowing extremely little about the corps or the situations, I'll voice this: if members are having a bad experience, the competitive side is never going to come together. If Pioneer in 2019 scores exactly the same and places exactly the same as 2018, but every member comes away from the season saying "this was the best summer of my life," they're going to get retention in 2020. The exact same thing goes for staff too. Also on the topic of staff, I have no clue the involvement of Roman (though the Director/BOD position seems weird), but it sounds like he's extremely hands on in everything. Considering drum corps is a huge part business and a huge part art/design, and to some degree one part potentially-awesome-summer-camp, there's no way one individual can do it all and still do any of it effectively. With that, I refer you to Mr. Iacocca: "I hire people brighter than me and then I get out of their way."
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    10 More Years in Indy

    Hmm, I admit, I didn't think about support columns. I walked through a large convention center yesterday though, and feel confident (meaning I don't know the measurements) that the distance in at least the one I was in was the length of sideline to sideline; they're really big facilities here, hell, I'll pass 3 of the 10 largest in the country on my way home from the office tonight. And ya, concrete on the inside. I'm not saying it's ideal, but I think we've all marched on several fields/parking lots that weren't ideal, and none of them were air conditioned.
  11. To be fair, I'm more triggered by the lack of tact than anything else. Also I was told by a person with a music degree that he knows more about music than me (I'll concede that) and marketing (that's where I'm going to draw the line). Finally, the entire opening of the discussion was explaining to me that what I like is wrong and I need to become educated so I can finally know what to really like. Altogether, I came away from the original post offended, and feeling like I just received a lecture from a bully. After that, I've mostly been addressing the 'what's' to illustrate the points. Though I'll stand by, as a writer too, 'epic musical fail' is bordering on the words I'd use if I wanted to hurt someone who was proud of their music. As for the members, I guess that's a personal question, down to each member. On my end, by July, the show was mine. If someone didn't like 'the show', I assumed they were judging me, not the thing someone else wrote for me a few months ago. OP did say "SCV's show was an epic musical fail,' and the members definitely are the composition of SCV.
  12. Downplaying the hurt doesn't make it ok - I agree most SCV members won't read this and even fewer will really take offense, but that doesn't seem to justify that it's ok to provide that level of hurtful critique to something that so many enjoyed and worked hard to deliver. The words weren't 'bad' or even 'I didn't like it'. The words used were 'epic musical fail.' That's as far away from sugarcoating as you can get before DCP's language filters kick in. Also I'll concede the analogy isn't 1:1. I had more, but it sounds like you get where I was going anyways. The poster wrote a dissertation of why what people liked is bad, and continued to say that most drum corps fans are not intelligent enough on the subject matter to know the difference. That's hurtful. That's literally bullying. You can't reason with that, you can't rationalize with that. And in the instances where others (myself included) have tried to at least counter with our own knowledge/degrees, we've received criticism from the same poster. Somehow the OP is an expert in all things, including our own enjoyment and careers, and the original post's only goal was to make us see his light so we can renounce our ways. It'd be like a high school bully making fun of your lunch just because he doesn't like it, or saying you're shirt is ugly because he didn't like it. There's plenty of ways to say you don't like something without being hurtful or telling people they're flat out wrong. And in the event that you do choose to go down that path, and you use your expertise and education to justify your rationale, it's only fair to concede to the expertise and education of others when they discuss the situation from their point of view. OP opened this conversation disrespectfully, and has kept that trend going throughout.
  13. Outright attack, no, but it can't feel good coming home from three months of practicing a 13-minute show that was eventually hailed as the world champion among its peers to hear that people are saying what you did was an 'epic musical fail' and placing the justification of that assessment solely on a single music degree from a school that doesn't have any direct link with drum corps. Even the world's greatest cooker of steaks has no right to tell someone their burger that they're proud of is an epic failure, based solely on the fact that the burger doesn't fit into their idea of a perfect steak.
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    10 More Years in Indy

    We don't actually have a Bloomington. It was a nudge at 08. My dad told me jokes are funnier when you get to explain them, but I'm not sure that's the case right now.
  15. Imagine if the McDonald's marketing strategy was "once they've lost interest in the Big Mac, I'll forget about them. There's new people being born every year, and I'll just sell Big Macs to them. Close the test kitchens!"