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Having been there SCV did not use dot books in 84/85; the mantra then was “guide to form”. SCV tied with GC for High Visual in ‘84 & won Visual outright in ‘85; from recaps it appears Field Visual was the key.

My ex-wife (FH) and I (baritone) marched KAC for the duration and we have a pic of our kid with a soprano standing in the rehearsal horn arc next to his mom; he was only 6 at the time and wanted to be out there with his parents so bad. We kicked around the idea of asking Dave & Joe to put him in the US flag unit in a little Kmen uniform since he was still very new to high brass but he didn’t have the hang of body control yet.

We don’t know and that is the plaintiff’s business. However, having stood in that person’s shoes when I was 12 years old outlining to detectives in awful detail what took place, then having the perp (a martial arts instructor) show up at my front door several months afterward unannounced and relive those “not at all charming memories” I can say there are occasions where you want the person or party responsible DEAD. It’s been almost 50 years, and I am totally okay with the fact that that person is DEAD. Eff forgiveness. “Sometimes you don’t have enough rocks.” —- Forrest Gump

If the company offers it, it is usually a “buyback” coverage under a separate Abuse or Molestation form and can carry a separate sub-limit from the underlying General Liability limits. I have seen A&M forms where coverage for defense is *inside* the limit, which drastically reduces the amount available in the event of a judgement.

I noticed that as well….”per usual”. The defense & coverage denial by the insurer circa the ‘82 policy term was not at all surprising (source: I have a few decades’ experience in commercial insurance.)

I’m just astounded my age-out corps made this list at all; usually SCV ‘87 overshadows SCV ‘85. Then again, SCV had a lot of 2nds to choose from back then (82, 85-88). 😶‍🌫️

Bob C marched ‘81 and was on our visual staff in ‘84; great guy.

I the honor of marching with some 78-82 GM hornline vets in SCV ‘84 (their age out year); they got to do “one more time with Salzman” and get him his first Ott Trophy. Andy (our head DM) was incredible at vocal commands.

I hope I’m not detecting a dry sense of “oh that wasn’t real”….I lost a friend of mine to C19 at the very front end of it; 5 days from hospital admission to his passing (his son went on to march Pacific Crest.) My son and I could not be in the same hospital room as my grandmother due to C19 protocols in place as she passed from a head injury she incurred when she fell; we had to get her through the triage hospital tents set up in the parking lot just to get her in there.

“Ceramophone…now with rrrich Corrrinthian leatherrr…..” Wouldn’t you rather drive a Ceramophone? Ozempic presents…“A Ceramophone Christmas” 🎄

I read the title of this thread and before I opened it I thought, “In other words, hornline vs. color guard.”

Fellow brass alum / SCV senior citizen (or “Uncle”, as locals call us elders here in Hawaii) from the GR era as well here…I will respectfully disagree as I did not see it that way at all. I heard of one brass performer who marched Nirvana 2022 (and hence, is an alum) but was affected by the 2023 inactivity after being contracted; this was not via some “seedy search” done in the wee hours of the night but via their former band director (with whom I marched) who posted it on their FB page * with the performer’s approval *. Since my son (also an alum) had already aged out in 2021 I opted to sponsor that performer for Crown ‘23 not for “SCV family sake” but for the chance they might win the Ott as I did, and they were very successful. Not everything has nefarious overtones.

What you’re seeing is a dramatically watered down version of Dave Owens’ (RIP) original vision that had the hornline doing an intricate dance routine with the (at the time) all-female guard. At one of our Spring ‘84 camps we cleared out the rehearsal hall until just the wall-mounted mirrors remained and a professional dance choreographer from San Francisco came in and had us remove our shoes. We were complete dance & movement noobies, and for the next few hours we got a crash course. Toward the end a number of us with better body control were beginning to grasp the choreographer’s teachings but some of the physically larger individuals had challenges. In retrospect I wish we had stuck with the idea perhaps with a smaller dedicated “dancing hornline troupe”, as those with the body control showed real promise. Whatever the case, what Dave had in mind would have far exceeded what Star ‘93 did. This was also a huge change for Gail too as previously his hornlines had been all-male and very macho, and ‘84 saw a half dozen ladies (including a monster FH player from ‘79 Guardsmen) join the brass for the first time.

I remember thr first time we (the hornline) saw our snare soloist perform this and he pulled out what looked like chopsticks….

My kid did; he started at 13 and aged out in ‘21.