luv4corps
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On 1/16/2019 at 9:47 AM, ocadvocate said:
You are "well aware" of 5 sexual harassment cases? You were personally part of the decision-making process and how they were handled by the Executive Director? Or, are you just parroting the rest of mob that just took down a world class drum corps?
The new Corps Director was there for, what, maybe 9 months, and thought that he could do the job better than the one who had built it up for the prior 10 years? Really? That's pretty presumptuous given that he'd never been a corps director before.
So, it's OK to defame a "nice person", and make all kinds of assumptions about whether he was trustworthy? Really?
Who's job is it to evaluate the Executive Director's job performance? You? Subordinates? 20-something staff people who have never managed anything in their lives?
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?
Have you looked at who is on their board of directors? These are professional people. Many are parents that have had kids in the corps. They reviewed the many bogus complaints and looked through to the truth of the matters. And so did DCI. No wrong-doing, incompetence, or neglect was found.And lest you think that they did not have an agenda, I was recently shown this gem from a "2019 New Beginnings" document written by the Corps Director (who didn't clean out his google drive completely) and shared with staff, dated Aug 16 - before Quillen was even home from Indianapolis or knew of the pending storm that was about hit.
"2019 New Beginnings
(A new approach for the future of the Oregon Crusaders Drum & Bugle Corps)To the board of directors, staff, designers, admin team, media & health team, let me begin by saying thank you for this opportunity to work as your executive director/CEO."
Oh, and the Program Coordinator, who "resigned" on the day of Semifinals, also reserved her apartment in Salem, Oregon for the summer of 2019 the day before. She obviously intended to come back after the Corps Director was installed as their new king.
This was a coup attempt plain and simple. The rest of the staff and members were tools for the take down, using sexual harassment claims, sexism and homophobia claims, any possible organizational deficiencies, and the DCI whistleblower system as weapons to their ends.
I'm also told that the Oregon Crusaders 2018 members left unpaid member fees of around $50,000. Shame on you!
Shame on you all for what you've done to the people who put their life, sweat, money, blood, and tears into this organization. Not to mention their families.
You say that you didn't want this to happen. What the EFF did you expect would happen? That they would just roll over and take your BS accusations and turn over the keys to the kingdom?
Idiots. You overplayed your hand, and the truth will come out soon enough.
This, this, a thousand times this.
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21 hours ago, mint said:
Unfortunately, none of this is true. The tour administration this year, some of whom were new, were absolutely fantastic. They had no agenda besides doing their jobs (and doing them well!). I wonder if their competence threatened the complacency of the higher administration, whose mediocrity ultimately drove the corps into the ground.
OC would be fielding a corps this year (and retaining virtually all of their staff and 30-50% of their vets) if the higher administration simply took accountability for their inadequacy, which ranged from complicity with sexual harassment claims, to mismanagement of money, to general unprofessionalism. Instead, the higher administration refused to step down from their roles. The instructional and design staffs and, consequently, the marching members, left in protest. How could anyone return to a place led by an administration that neglects both the members' safety and their success?
No one wanted this outcome. We all wanted OC to field a corps. But for as long as their CEO and board chairman are still there, shutting OC down is the necessary move. There is no permissible compromise to member safety.
This is the usurp camp talking. If anyone wants to know what I know about the main sexual harassment claim from last year, please PM me. I am not comfortable talking about it in the forum but I will discuss it privately. And please, I am a woman and have been sexually harassed on several occasions. I know what sexual harassment is, and what it isn't.
To say the new tour staff had no agenda... please.
They were ready to take over the corps. Give me a break.
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To the members that were victimized by Mike Stevens, I am truly sorry. He was a horrible man and never should have been allowed near young people.
That being said:
My son marched five years with this corps and had the time of his life.
There is a lot more to the story of what happened last year (MS was no longer on staff) and sadly, it will likely never be known. Let me just say that to the best of my knowledge, the demise of this corps was the result of a perfect storm of very unfortunate events, some of which were clearly the fault of the corps, some that were not, and the timing of the whole thing. As far as I know (which is probably more than most on here), OC was willing to take full responsibility for their part. They wanted to move past this as the Cadets were able to do.
There is a lot of misinformation out there, even within the corps. A certain new, but high ranking staff member last season was very influential but with nefarious intentions for usurping the corps. Social media is a very powerful thing and truth gets twisted and spun to serve agendas. (Just look at current US politics for a prime example of this).
All the haters out there should be happy. The trash talking worked!
I really hope OC comes back.
I'm not sure I will without them so come at me guns blazing.
I have said my peace, and am too heartbroken to continue any discourse.
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On 1/12/2019 at 7:51 PM, BRASSO said:
I can appreciate those fans that still want their judges to be as close to the MM's they are judging as possible, especially in the execution oriented captions. That said, if we watch ( for example) the on field Percussion judges, most of the time, they are seen running, weaving,. dodging, with them looking left, right, behind, to make sure they are not about to be run over by MM's in visual moves all around them. How much REAL concentrated observance of the percussion playing is really be taking place, when that judge's concentration levels to that is certainly being heavily distracted ? Just for the heck of it, watch ( for example ) Jeff Prosperie judging Percussion of any Corps on Youtube. Holy Mackeral. He's seen most of the time, running, weaving, dodging, full speed like a maniac out there. Is he going to be compromised in his observance skills of the Percussion sections if he's put on the sidelines where he can better concentrate on the task he has been assigned ? I don't think so. His observation abilities might actually be better enhanced if anything, imo..
The antics of the field judges can sometimes play like a show within the show... and are quite distracting for sure! As an onlooker, one is constantly on edge, fearing that a crash will occur. I agree, if it is that distracting to watch from the stands, it could only be more so for the judge him/herself.
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Sounds intriguing. Can't wait to see what PC has to offer this year. I can't say enough about that Hollywood show last year. I was completely enthralled from the time I first saw them at the Portland show, which was very early on in the season. There was a lot of growth in the corps. Keep it up PC!!!
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I really hope this 'best practice' idea of sharing information about potential staff member problems catches on among the collective corps.
I also sincerely hope that drum corps can move on from this. I believe it can, as many other organizations involved with youth are experiencing the same sort of period of reckoning, and everything can't just stop because bad people exist.
That would mean the perpetrators have won.
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1 hour ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
However, it would seem that OC has other issues right now
Really?
Looks like full steam ahead to me.
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1 hour ago, Cadevilina Crown said:
I'd love a 2001: A Space Odyssey show. Of course, the opener would have to be Also Sprach Zarathustra, and maybe Blue Danube as a production number. The Ligeti pieces could serve as transition points between movements.
OMG YES THIS.
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The sound clip at the end was awesome!
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Anybody else receive one of these? I just filled mine out. I thought some of the questions were very good.
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I get very annoyed when people talk the entire time during a performance. It is very rude.
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7 hours ago, Liahona said:
Guess you don't have to worry then about being doxxed....lol
Well I'm sure it could still happen, but since I'm a nobody, why would anyone bother?
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On 10/20/2018 at 12:30 PM, corps8294 said:
Any word from the Oregon Crusaders? That corps sounded like it was ready to completely fall apart after the season ended.
OC is full speed ahead at this point and committed as ever to provide a great member experience.
In addition to the new design team recently announced, the medical staff and head drum major are for sure coming back and it is believed that some members will be coming back when the facts of what actually happened last year are fully known and sorted out.
Important fact #1: individuals on the medical staff were witness to some of the incidents/reports/discussions that came up last year - and they are all coming back.
Important fact #2: DCI has taken no punitive action against this corps after matters were investigated
And NO I am NOT on the BOD. If I were, I wouldn't be allowed to post here.
I am a super fan & supporter, former cook mom/volunteer, and a donor.
I believe in this corps and that OC will weather this storm and be stronger for it.
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Any word from the Oregon Crusaders? That corps sounded like it was ready to completely fall apart after the season ended.
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I saw that episode and heard her. One of the more esoteric contestant interviews for sure!
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Losing Fan Network still bites. Just sayin...
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2 hours ago, Tim K said:
"The Premier Guide to starting a Drum Corps" which according to the description will help the reader start a drum corps in six weeks!
Starting a Drum Corps For Dummies! I like it!
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On 9/7/2018 at 8:37 AM, BRASSO said:
I'm currently on the fence on this one... could be persuaded either way. I see both the benefits and the drawbacks if a decision was made to restrict national touring Corps to have only 18+ aged marchers allowed into these touring Corps. DCI does not have a youth problem. It had ( has ) an adult problem with a very small cadre of adult misfits. Until DCI gets the misfits out entirely, then perhaps restricting memberships to 18+ might be the safe thing to do. But like I said, I'm currently on the fence on this one.
'National Touring Corps'.... wouldn't that include all the open class corps that compete in Michigan City as well?
I'm seeing a lot of tiny corps if all members have to be 18+.
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I was teaching vocal and instrumental music at an elementary school on 9/11.
One of my students, a fifth grade boy, flagged me down in the parking lot and said, "Did you hear the news? A plane crashed into the Empire State Building and the White House."
Just precious.
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On 9/6/2018 at 6:22 PM, DFA1970 said:
Not a rookie. Just a rookie posting on here. I wish I was a rookie. Not criticizing....well maybe but a few on here it’s like 24/7. But hey yeah not on the streets. I respect that.
Come back in January. That's when you know who the real die-hards are!
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9 hours ago, bstar82 said:
I recall those bus drivers on 2014 and they were a strange group of older men. One thing was for sure. They had no knowledge of anything related to drum corps or how the tour played out over the summer. Two of them approached me asking if they requested hotel rooms instead of sleeping at the school and getting money for "real" meals instead of eating with the corps, if that would be given to them. I told them unless it's your contract, I doubt it. One of them (brass bus?) made it a point to turn down the member's hype music on the way to a show and would play country music just to #### them off. Not the crime of the century but just stupid things like that. As for nearly falling asleep at the wheel, I recall one of the drivers (probably the brass bus) as we arrived in Cheyenne about 6am from Ogden waiting to get the all go to unload and settle in, I walked over to his bus to give him a message and there he was passed out on the steering wheel not five minutes from when we pulled in. That scared the living S&*t out of me thinking he barely made it to the school.
On another note two years later I was friended by a gal that I met on a free day in 2014 who was the older sister of a then current member. They both found me somehow and the gal revealed to me her younger sister had decide to quit drum corps because of MS's comments and leering towards her. She still had many years under her belt left to march and I have not seen her with any other corps since. This would be her age out year in 2019. At the time, the two gals thought they didn't have enough if any evidence to file a complaint. One of the sad stories that comes out of this mess.
MS is the one piece of all of this where I am certain there is culpability. And I admit that that, ALONE, could spell big legal trouble.
Now to the drivers. Those old guys were SO out of their element. They didn't understand that these kids are regimented every moment of time when not on the bus and that the bus was their 'off' time. I remember talking with other staff about how the drivers needed a primer on how to roll with drum corps. I saw the CG driver use his free show pass to go in to the Omaha stadium only to use the bathroom. These guys had less than zero appreciation for what was going on down on the field and what it takes to get it there. My son rode the brass bus so naturally I was VERY concerned about the brass bus driver potentially dozing off at the wheel or playing his country music just to spite the kids. I still feel that those horrible drivers brought the morale of the corps down such that it affected their performance and show quality.
That being said, how, exactly, does a tour staff cancel a transportation contract in the middle of tour and hire a new company all neat and pat and instantly available? And how does one know if the new company will be any better? I remember that the percussion driver actually owned his own bus so changing drivers was not an option. Talk about a logistical nightmare. I know I'll get flamed for saying that. Oh well. If any tour director has actually pulled it off, please let me know.
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This may have been my favorite cartoon episode of all time.
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57 minutes ago, skevinp said:
Cartoons are where I learned all I know about classical music.
Cartoons and Gilligan's Island.
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1 hour ago, GetOFFmyDot said:
My heart is breaking for MMs who were subjected to awful treatment (at best) and assualt (at worst), not to mention legitimate safety concerns.
There isn't 1 person who marched in 2018 who will come back. That speaks volumes - no matter what your experience was 4 years ago.
I still don't understand why we struggle to listen and believe people (especially when they speak in such large numbers).
Obviously, four years ago is not today. My heart can and will continue to break for an organization that, in spite of the current situation, has done a lot of good for a lot of kids, my own son included.
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Oregon Crusaders will not field a corps in 2019
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Posted · Edited by luv4corps
Bless you for really wanting to get at the truth. I responded to your PM with names and details. It makes me sick that people just joke about a perfectly fine corps going down. That's social media for you. Just make fun of things. Until it hits you directly, there is no risk. I haven't been able to come on here since posting several days ago because to see OC's good name dragged through the mud makes me physically ill.
No corps is perfect. They make mistakes. This was a tough year for drum corps. But OC is getting hosed so bad and they don't deserve it. They don't. This is a good corps, started from a pile of rubble by people who love drum corps and love these kids.
To blow up situations into major sexual harassment claims in order to influence members and staff and usurp a corps is WRONG. And THAT is what happened.