Jeff Ream

interesting. ok. i never said they wouldn't come out, but finances weren't good.

if only that one witness wouldn't have decided against testifying

i don't see glamorizing though. i see some comparisons yes, and face it....for all the bad, there was good too. if not for him in 1980 recruiting down south, the corps probably dies. it possible for someone to do good things and still be a vile excuse of a human being at the same time. history is littered with examples. when it comes to him, really, in a way it's like the judge said to CAE...ya gotta take the good with the bad. for all the bad, you can't just cancel out the good. it just means you hammer the bad that much more. i remember at OC finals in 2002, at retreat they had age outs giving speeches, and the Cadets kids all sounded like brainwashed clones, saying they wouldn't be where they were without the corps and him. my group and people around us rolled our eyes. but the next 3 nights we all went ####### over the corps performance. and thus is the conflicted legacy the organization and the corps suffered from for years here, RAMD, Soundmachine and everyone else.....how do you separate the greatness on the field from him? it was ###### hard, and this was before 6 years ago this week. Add on the messes after Scott was pushed out, the lady losing lawsuits over a fraudulent charity being brought in, moving 5 hours further away from the loyal alumni base, and boom here we are. So much on field greatness reduced by off field mismanagement and literal crime. and a lawsuit, against someone that isn't him, at a non corps sponsored event was the final straw. so maybe you understand the conflict people have. i'm not and never have been enamored or under the sway. i've advised kids going in what to expect. i wouldnt talk them out of it if their heart desired it, but i wanted them prepared for what they may encounter. i know someone that ended up teaching there trying to talk kids out of going there a few years prior. Heros often fall hard, and thats what you're seeing people express right now. Amazingly the corps survived at all after 18.

i often sevre them up and see how people go from there. you caught on to my trick.

for clarification only one season without shows happened. 21 was a short tour plus Indy and no super regionals, but there were shows and money did come in for 2021

i dont see anyone giving him a pass though.

so Landmark taught you that magical things happened when you touched your trumpet? after the hash marks were repainted of course

i dont see any glamorizing anything. i see a lot of brutal honesty pointing out well documented flaws that led to legal action

true. but again dinner and drinks after hours isn't company time unless its designated as an official company function/meeting

i don't remember that being an emphasis at all.

1991 needs more love for the bookends. not so much the 10 minute ballad

i was at the show where Boston beat them for the last time until 2017

on a hot Sunday afternoon at Cedar Cliff HS in July 83, the Cadets changed everything i thought i knew about drum corps. a lot of the crowd were stunned, not fully understanding what they were seeing, but knowing it was good. i saw it as the way things were going to go. a year later, same stadium, WSS. it cemented everything i thought the year before. after the year, getting the VHS of 82, i saw where it all started. and 87 was the icing on the cake. if 89 had had the same ending for at least half the year, man they could have done damage

in fact, before the 18 scandal broke, the women came to the board who appointed an investigator who was not neutral in any way. and when that was whitewashed, boom the Philly Inquirer story came to be

i hope you change your mind. i was very angry and bitter when my corps went down...and man if any of that stuff ever made it to court, ohhh boy. but i realized in time i loved drum corps beyond just my little Westshoremen bubble.

i suggest you read the Glass Door reviews. they lay it out well, as well as the myriad other places it's been documented by those who were there.

well thing there as i understand it is the CEO is guilty, not the company.

funny though the years where BD had the most hatred were the first years in the recent dominance.....09, 10, and 12. yeah 15 and 19 were tight, but the hatred wasn't at the level of those 3 years

the sky is Carolina Blue for a reason

hell people are tired of Dallas and they haven't won #### since 1996!

the only thing i could see myself arguing was it happened at a non corps organized function. yes it was people tied to the corps, but it wasnt at a camp, on tour, an organized gathering or anything like that. there to me the line on the corps liability is a little fuzzy. Sure they should have dismissed the individual immediately, even in the days of 40 years where the best medicine was to look the other way and tell somone to go elsewhere quietly, so maybe the corps could be digned some for not dismissing the perpetrator right away, but it isn't like the Spirit situation where it happened on tour. But given the culture that lasted way too long...again, read the Glass Door reviews on YEA

So the corps wasn’t in the hole in August? I remember seeing in many places about transportation issues and employees being let go long before the inactive announcement was made.

Oh he is on the board. Maybe he’s right. Except for victim shaming

Then why were assets being sold after the season?

Feel free to educate him. If you listen to Gary he’s why they moved to Erie where he killed the Thunderbirds