Jeff Ream

correction. it is a place everyone involved in DCi avoids posting on ( with their real names anyway). They read. Religiously.

see above reference to the Cadets

yup. just like cadets social media team releasing stuff about auditions only for hours later the corps inactivity ( using their words, not the actual reality) being announced. i get how some may be offended, but i'm not going to trash the organization

i love Godspell....my HS did a really great version of it ( and WSS too...man did i have fun playing both)....but i'm not sure Godspell translates to the field as well....kinda of repetitious.

the problem is raising the max membership limit is hurting. even at 150, most at the top weren't full. now you add 15 more to that count?

Huh?

Sound sport too I saw elsewhere

i don't disagree visual sometimes gets too much emphasis, but it's not a universal thing. and winners have always had some captions lower than the top, and some caption winners have not been at the top. look at Cavies percussion. the issue is more a product of how the current system is set up for the numbers. the 3 performance captions for music and visual averaged together now, and GE still at 40% where it's been for a while. but without todays system, guard would still be an afterthought. but GE has been calling the show for a long time...in fact if not for music and music effect, BD wins in 2008. Bloo probably loses in 16. but performance pcations, not effect is what kept Crown in 15 and Bloo in 19 from winning.

way too many small groups design like they're huge. that issue is not just a regional thing

no because the Carolton would be being performed

i never once called you old or dino, i compared your views of todays activity of how it was in the past. the game has changed. drum corps judging stayed stagnant for what it looked at for decades, and then boom...everything opened up. and because the rules changed and allowed more, visual had the most room to grow to where it became of equal importance. But even as visual changed, GE has always been about a marriage of visual and music. and it's never been a clap sheet. But the emphasis had to change because visual became more important. IMO visual was not enough of a scoring emphasis for too long, and this is a drummer stating that fact. because if it had the emphasis it deserved, 41 years ago you would have destroyed everyone. it wouldn't even have been close.

i believe it counts World, Open and now all age

the music chosen wasn't exactly stuff i'd choose to listen to, but it was presented in a more flowing way...like complete thoughts/passages than they had done since Godfather, and they did it in a way that got some old school BD vibe. but the whole building of the house led to a zillion Extreme Home makeover okes ( probably half by me) and it made everything look way too cluttered. and that Cadets that summer had Jeff's masterpiece visually and Crown channeled their inner ELP had shows more loved to the general populace. but i don't remember nearly as much dislike as for the 3 years prior and 2 after

Ge has never been and never will be a what the fans want sheet. have you even seen recent versions of the sheet? the more you reply the more its apparent you feel effect is to match what you consider popular, and that isn't how GE has ever been. yes the activity has slowly moved away from music being the overhwelming focus because the activity has eveolved drastically visually. i'm sorry you want to compare scores from the days of color pre, squads, guideons etc to where the activity is today and your article is all abount IMO a false narrative trying to compare two things that are very different as if they're to be on the same level. they aren't drum corps today is very different from drum corps in 1972, and a large reason for that is how much the visual side of the game has changed. And quite frankly, elevator drill and matching pictures stopped being effective 40 years ago.

i thought it always got musical love. not so much visual

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entirely possible it was a factor

it can be good or bad effect. theres a ton of factors that goes into it, so i can't just throw an opinion here based on that.

some. but Cavies fatigue in the 00's and even Cadets fatigue in the 80's were tempered by the shows mostly well received. and no i dont think 2010 would have been better received in any shape or form as at that point, BD only had their 3rd in 4 years

Amen! I was there, and the crowd was the proverbial Rondo quote. But they weren't top 5, and i too love this show and am looking forward to the social media barrage of videos that happens at this time of year

it happens, but it's not the driving force anymore.

that and from 08-13 the shows were generally unpopular

exactly. the intellectual third of the triad is no longer dominating over the other 2/3's of the triad

i do believe they are more than they were say 10 years ago. a lot of the things Cesario said on that day back in 09 i think was stuff he said when he started his project with DCI a decade ago. think about this....the year that whole initiative started, yeah BD won, but with their most loved show since probably 1996! And since that philosophy shift started, there's yet to be a yawner champion. Sure a few close shows that may be controversial, but in both cases effect didn't really call the show. visual performance captions did ( thinking of 15 and 19)

engagement tho isn't as cut and dried as one thinks. geography can play a part. at say Crowns home show are the fans going to be more engaged for the hometown team? Sure! Should the judges solely feed off of applause? Nope. remember bringing the house down may not be universal at every stadium. Homerism is real