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Amping the brass line

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  1. 1. We've amped the pit to allow for more subtle technique, we've amped some soloists to better balance with the rest of the corps. If corps started miking the entire brass line to improve balance, allow for better technique, etc, would you support...

    • Sounds like a great idea! I think it would improve the experience for me.
      4
    • If corps want to try it, more power to them.
      24
    • I would support it if better equipment (PAs, mixers, mikes) were used.
      11
    • I would complain about it, but let's be honest, I'm not going to stop going to shows because of it.
      80
    • Terrible idea! It would bother me so much, I think I would stop going to shows.
      81

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5 minutes ago, CorpsLife said:

Putting 60 wireless mics into the area of a football stadium won't work. They frequency bands used would cause so much interference it would be impossible. 10-20 ok, 60 plus, no way! Not to mention professional wireless systems cost a lot. Like 2-5k each. Having all those wireless mics would take up huge amounts of racks on the front line. Each one would have to be calibrated before the show. As a professional live sound engineer I can say NO ONE is doing this. Not even in other professional shows. The Other Side of this, there is no mixer that could pull this off. Modern digital mixers max out at 96 inputs. After your Front Ensemble uses up 30 or so of those, not enough to add in a whole horn line. 

The Mic's across the front line will only work well for about 20 feet. Turning the gain up enough to capture the whole field would cause huge feedback issues, even with eq'ing out frequencies. (Which would have to be done Per venue as they change. Cause even more setup time.) The infrastructure to set this up, use it properly, and pull out in 20 min is just not there. Professionals doing this for large show production spend a couple hours a day getting this ready in a venue. It's impossible to get it done in 5 min.

just have the horn line play over a pre recorded sample of the hornline.  No need to have all the horns amped, just a few of each voice at select moments to enhance the sound at impact or other moments.

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2 minutes ago, brians said:

just have the horn line play over a pre recorded sample of the hornline.  No need to have all the horns amped, just a few of each voice at select moments to enhance the sound at impact or other moments.

Well now you run into a whole different set of issues. When you press play on the pre recorded track, you better hope that the corps playing dead in time. Or you have to set up a click track and have it run to the DM's in ears. (Which I think is illegal) The click track route is what all your stage acts are doing. 

Micing key players at certain times, I'm ok with. Solos and what not. That is possible. I was mostly arguing with the people saying "mic the whole corps". It's just not possible right now. What most corps are doing is filling out the sound with the synths. Corps that are doing it well, you won't even notice.

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1 hour ago, CorpsLife said:

Well now you run into a whole different set of issues. When you press play on the pre recorded track, you better hope that the corps playing dead in time. Or you have to set up a click track and have it run to the DM's in ears. (Which I think is illegal) The click track route is what all your stage acts are doing. 

Micing key players at certain times, I'm ok with. Solos and what not. That is possible. I was mostly arguing with the people saying "mic the whole corps". It's just not possible right now. What most corps are doing is filling out the sound with the synths. Corps that are doing it well, you won't even notice.

timing is not an issue with most of the top corps, this is what they do (just slowly turn it up once the note begins).  Micing players can (is) being done for more than solos, or small ensembles, but rather to enhance sound at impact moments or to fill out the sound at difficult parts or as part of the large ensemble so as to make the line sound louder at key points.  I would not have an issue with just solosts or small ensembles being miced, but things have moved way beyond that at this point.

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2 hours ago, brians said:

timing is not an issue with most of the top corps,

Sync timing working in one direction does not mean it will work in reverse.  Earlier I posted that I have done experiments with various ensembles; even professional ensembles.  One of the experiments utilized audio tracks to sync with the ensembles to see how accurate their internal timings were.  When the ensembles came in off the timing of the audio track already being played things pretty much always went well.  However, when the audio track was punched in based on the timing of the performers who were already playing that rarely worked, even in the professional settings.  The only way we could get that to work was to make sure a sync-click was used to start the piece, keep the click going in the ear of the performers while the performers played, then the audio which was synced up to the existing click fired off at a pre-set time; that worked out well.  However, when done without the underlying consent click in their ears, even with a conductor still using an ear monitor tied to the click, it normally caused train wrecks when the audio track fired off over the performers already playing.

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