84BDsop Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Any quality argument between the 2 groups is meaningless until a DCA corps can put in DCI-level rehearsal time, or a DCI one cuts back to DCA-level rehearsal time and can compete on hybrid sheets that reward both performance philosophies. For sake of argument, you'd have to have 2 corps at the same level (say Cadets and MBI) to make it as level a playing field as possible (rather than Crown vs someone at the bottom of Class A) Hell, even 2 equal DCI corps on opposing rehearsal times (BD on DCA time, Cadets on DCI) or vise versa (Bucs/MBI) would be interesting to see....we'll never see it happen tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 I dont see how comparing the two is pointless, I really dont. You all seem to think its impossible. Rehearsal time, age, talent, etc. aside... is it really that hard to compare two corps? I dont believe it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOReason Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) I dont see how comparing the two is pointless, I really dont. You all seem to think its impossible. Rehearsal time, age, talent, etc. aside... is it really that hard to compare two corps? I dont believe it is. I don't believe is is that hard either. Take away all the "ifs" and just put any current DCA champion of recent years against any WC DCI Finalist straight up, and the DCI finalist would aboulutely school them. Comparing the 2 circuits is only pointless because the answer is so obvious. But, that being the case, I would still rather watch a DCA show! Edited June 3, 2012 by VOReason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I dont see how comparing the two is pointless, I really dont. You all seem to think its impossible. Rehearsal time, age, talent, etc. aside... is it really that hard to compare two corps? I dont believe it is. As I said before, It's like comparing an Indy Car to a Formula One car. Why bother? And as it's been just said, the answer nowadays is obvious. In the 60's before the touring model and similar judging sheets, not so obvious. Pretty much the same for the cars, too before one went to a spec series and the other went for cutting edge technology. Kind of a similar issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Any quality argument between the 2 groups is meaningless until a DCA corps can put in DCI-level rehearsal time, or a DCI one cuts back to DCA-level rehearsal time and can compete on hybrid sheets that reward both performance philosophies. For sake of argument, you'd have to have 2 corps at the same level (say Cadets and MBI) to make it as level a playing field as possible (rather than Crown vs someone at the bottom of Class A) Hell, even 2 equal DCI corps on opposing rehearsal times (BD on DCA time, Cadets on DCI) or vise versa (Bucs/MBI) would be interesting to see....we'll never see it happen tho. Fire! Target! BITD when I did perform, and there was an very, very early season combined show with DCI corps in '82 and '83, and before they had all the rehearsal and tour time- the fans and DCW spoke well of us in comparison. Once they got on tour and finished the show, they'd have clocked us badly. You just can't compare one unit practicing weekends to one that's basically in a near constant state of rehearsal all summer. You put even and old as heck me into that scenario, my chops get a LOT better, I lose a LOT of weight and get into fighting shape. But who would pay my bills for me on tour !?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeptic Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 I didnt say compare Blue Devils to Empire, I asked where in the list of DCI corps would a DCA corps possibly fit. Everyone keeps saying the top DCI corps would win... DUH! The point was to have fun and speculate where DCA corps could fit into the mix. As far as the formula 1/Indy car example... I bet you anything that fans from both sides talk about which is better. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdMedina Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I didnt say compare Blue Devils to Empire, I asked where in the list of DCI corps would a DCA corps possibly fit. Everyone keeps saying the top DCI corps would win... DUH! The point was to have fun and speculate where DCA corps could fit into the mix. As far as the formula 1/Indy car example... I bet you anything that fans from both sides talk about which is better. Just saying. Ok, so, the list. Where might a top-flight DCA corps fit. Here's my opinion based on last year's placements. This is fun and completely one fan's opinion. 13. Glassmen 14. Troopers 15. The Academy 16. Colts 17. Crossmen 18. Pacific Crest 19. Mandarins MINNESOTA BRASS BUCCANEERS 20. Teal Sound 21. Blue Devils B EMPIRE STATESMEN 22. Oregon Crusaders HURRICANES 23. Cascades 24. Vanguard Cadets 25. Jersey Surf CABS 26. Spartans RENEGADES 27. Pioneer 28. The Yokohama Scouts 29. Revolution 30. Genesis 31. 7th Regiment 32. Music City ALLIANCE 33. Jubal 34. Legends 35. Raiders CORPS VETS 36. Forte KILTIES 37. Colt Cadets TAMPA BAY THUNDER 38. Les Stentors THE REST OF DCA 39. Racine Scouts 40. Blue Saints 41. Spirit of Newark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I didnt say compare Blue Devils to Empire, I asked where in the list of DCI corps would a DCA corps possibly fit. Everyone keeps saying the top DCI corps would win... DUH! The point was to have fun and speculate where DCA corps could fit into the mix. As far as the formula 1/Indy car example... I bet you anything that fans from both sides talk about which is better. Just saying. "Better" is arguable as a serious race fan. there's a kind of parallel, though. F1 has a sky-high budget, and can be seriously argued to represent the pinnacle of the activity. IndyCar/IRL puts on a heckuva great show, drivers have gone from one to the other, and the ones coming from F1 can't get over the friendlier atmosphere and the fans, who are far more polite to them. I can tell you stories on that from personal experience. The cars are a lot cheaper to build and maintain, but the show is great, very affordable to go and see, and the fans are knowledgeable, too. Back in the early 70's there WAS an event created to compare the F1 and Indy cars, the Questor Grand Prix: http://counter-x.net/f1/questor/index.html Which kinda worked but was never repeated. I liked the Dream, the West Chester show, and the Hershey Spectacular, where you could see DCI and DCA corps doing their thing at the same show. But I just never compared them as to 'who was better". I went to see the variety of ideas and to enjoy them for what each one is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Ed. from what I saw of Pioneer on the simulcast, your assessment and ranking of them might be quite a bit high, sad to say..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Drum Corps Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Ed. from what I saw of Pioneer on the simulcast, your assessment and ranking of them might be quite a bit high, sad to say..... Maybe last year...in 2010, I would bet Pioneer would have been top 5 at DCA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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