DrumManTx Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 If people here are comparing scores from different nites, different shows, and they are frustrated with the scores they see, then I really don't have a scintilla of sympathy for them. Seriously.They are apparently chronically heedless, and as a result of this, they have richly deserved their personal frustrations with this " compare the scores from around the country " sheetshow exercise they foolishly engage in each season ( lol!) I didn't compare, just wasn't expecting to fluctuate QUITE as much as they are. It's hard to gauge much of anything night to night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger2 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 I am THRILLED about the scores being unpredictable. As others have said, I am looking at spreads at individual shows- not comparing one show's scores to another's. I have always thought way TOO LITTLE consideration was given to true show dynamics regarding judge reactions:Temperature Field (thick grass, short grass, flat field, turf, etc.) Press box distance from field Press box open or with windows (wide windows, small windows, etc.) Corps performing in the dark, light, dusk, etc. Day after rest Day after changes Day after a "rehearsal beating" Show order Humidity Bus issues Good warm-up/bad warm-up Bad electronic run And many other "show dynamics" To play devil's advocate, perhaps what is happening is EXACTLY what we have all been wanting. No recaps, less slotting. Reacting to the true performance of that evening and that evening alone, equaling more diverse and varied spreads. I expect this to all become more evened out as time passes, as changes lessen, and comfort levels of both performer and judge increase. I love the added excitement and do not see it as a complete reflection of poor judging or a poor system. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 I am THRILLED about the scores being unpredictable. As others have said, I am looking at spreads at individual shows- not comparing one show's scores to another's. I have always thought way TOO LITTLE consideration was given to true show dynamics regarding judge reactions: Temperature Field (thick grass, short grass, flat field, turf, etc.) Press box distance from field Press box open or with windows (wide windows, small windows, etc.) Corps performing in the dark, light, dusk, etc. Day after rest Day after changes Day after a "rehearsal beating" Show order Humidity Bus issues Good warm-up/bad warm-up Bad electronic run And many other "show dynamics" To play devil's advocate, perhaps what is happening is EXACTLY what we have all been wanting. No recaps, less slotting. Reacting to the true performance of that evening and that evening alone, equaling more diverse and varied spreads. I expect this to all become more evened out as time passes, as changes lessen, and comfort levels of both performer and judge increase. I love the added excitement and do not see it as a complete reflection of poor judging or a poor system. Exactly my thoughts. People may be itching to see recaps, but I'm enjoying the ride of not knowing what the heck is going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 apparently the GEM guy was more than three and half points "off" cc's last GEM score. score was lower than opening night!! and no -- they didnt have any sort of disaster during the run. Scores are isolated numbers. Can't compare to other shows ESPECIALLY with small panels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 GE 1J.R. Carlisle GE 2N. Waters Vis Ana C. Chruch Mus Brass M. Hoskins Mus Ana C. Armbruster only 1 vis judge and when that has happened scores have been low. Take out the CG caption for Crown. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) . It's hard to gauge much of anything night to night. Sounds to me like the DCI new policy for the judges is working as intended. If fans ( and judges ) can't gauge anything from nite to nite.... then praise the lord.... its happening, and its LONG overdue. Anything that upsets the placement applecart, and the placement status quo that DCI is so known for, is as refreshing as a cold frosty on a hot summer's day, in my view. Edited July 7, 2016 by BRASSO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumManTx Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Sounds to me like the DCI new policy for the judges is working as intended. If fans ( and judges ) can't gauge anything from nite to nite.... then praise the lord.... its happening, and its LONG overdue, imo I kinda like it. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsband Posted July 7, 2016 Author Share Posted July 7, 2016 Scores are isolated numbers. Can't compare to other shows ESPECIALLY with small panels. you can compare numbers relative to each other. rest of the panel was ball park on +/-. and you can look at the growth of numbers in a caption over time. if your brass number is 10,10.2, 10.1, 10.4, 10.5 ,10.7 if you get a 7.1 it's gonna raise a red flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 you can compare numbers relative to each other. rest of the panel was ball park on +/-. and you can look at the growth of numbers in a caption over time. if your brass number is 10,10.2, 10.1, 10.4, 10.5 ,10.7 if you get a 7.1 it's gonna raise a red flag. Ok so GE number was down but by which guy or both? Staff gets that info correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 ALL AGE Minn Brass 59.5 Governaires 53.3 OPEN Colt Cadets 46.0 River City Rhythm 44.9 WORLD Carolina Crown 73.9 Blue Stars 67.4 Colts 63.7 Pioneer 53.9 Well, the two Open Class corps see their scores climb by more than two points, so there's that. The All Age corps numbers are bizarre, as usual, which makes it especially impossible to gauge how MBI will fare against the Bucs, or Govies against, say, White Sabers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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