Tupac Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 What is the main reason that we have the same 3 or 4 corps competing for the title and then have the same next 3 or 4 competing for the middle tier and then the same 5 or 6 corps competing for the finals 12 spot every season? Money? Staff? Location? (better weather) Better understanding of the judges and the sheets? Talent lever? (my feeling, but why do certain corps attract the better talent? ) You would think that once in awhile, there would be a corps that would catch lighting in a bottle and move up a bit or one of the top 3 or 4 corps would have an off year and move down a few spots but it seems like there is very little movement from year to year. This is by no means and attack on our activity. It's just a question from a fan that is not involved with corps as much as he used to be in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStainGlass Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Academy is sitting in 11th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv4corps Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 That would be the Academy this year - catching lightning in a bottle and moving up. Boston is having an off year and Madison has slipped. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THeShadeOfNight Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Because people consider previous placements when deciding where to audition. Usually the higher the talent, the higher the corps they audition for. Not everyone will March "just for fun" since a lot of members wants to make finals/medal/win a ring. Also, look at any staff below the top 4. Check out their staff lists and even caption head lists for the past 5 years. For most corps it will look like a revolving door. That doesn't build consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumCorpsRadio Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 What is the main reason that we have the same 3 or 4 corps competing for the title and then have the same next 3 or 4 competing for the middle tier and then the same 5 or 6 corps competing for the finals 12 spot every season? Money? Staff? Location? (better weather) Better understanding of the judges and the sheets? Talent lever? (my feeling, but why do certain corps attract the better talent? ) You would think that once in awhile, there would be a corps that would catch lighting in a bottle and move up a bit or one of the top 3 or 4 corps would have an off year and move down a few spots but it seems like there is very little movement from year to year. This is by no means and attack on our activity. It's just a question from a fan that is not involved with corps as much as he used to be in the past. The top corps tend to have much more staff stability and clearly attract the best talent in the game. The middle to lower Top 12 corps essentially train members and the top ones often leave for the elite corps. It's very difficult for a corps to overcome that although Bluecoats and Carolina Crown have both done so. We do see other corps pop up there from time to time. In the Lucas Oil Stadium era (2009-2015), there have only been 7 corps in the top 5 - The Cadets (7 years); Santa Clara Vanguard (5 years); Blue Devils (7 years); Bluecoats (4 years); The Cavaliers (3 years); Carolina Crown (7 years); Phantom Regiment (2 years). It does not appear that we'll see a change this year. The main barrier to another corps breaking in is who they would have to beat. The Blue Devils haven't been out of the top 5 since 1974, The Cadets since 1991. Bluecoats and Carolina Crown have replaced The Cavaliers and Phantom Regiment in the title conversations the past few years. There was a similar period of time when I first got involved in drum corps where Glassmen and Boston Crusaders seemed poised to make the leap that Bluecoats and Carolina Crown have successfully made. Boston Crusaders - Made Top 12 for first time in 1999, then top 5 in 2000. They would rise to #5 one more time (2002). Average placement since 1999 = 8.2. Glassmen - Made Top 12 for first time in 1993, then top 5 in 1998. They repeated #5 in 1999 and 2001. Average placement since 1993 (until folding after 2012) = 10.4. If we remove the three non-finalist years, average placement = 9.5 Carolina Crown - Made Top 12 for first time in 1995, then top 5 in 2008. They have not left the top 5 since getting there, 8 years in a row. Average placement since 1995 = 6.5. Bluecoats - Made Top 12 for first time in 1987, then top 5 in 2005. They have made top 5 the past 3 years and 5 of the past 10 years. Average placement since 1987 = 6.2. Next posts - Which corps are most likely to join the top 5 party? Which corps are most likely to leave the top 5 party? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouooga Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 75% of it is staff/design. The remaining 25% is member talent/retention, which ironically is greatly influenced by previous placement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouooga Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Also why is your title yelling? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) What is the main reason that we have the same 3 or 4 corps competing for the title and then have the same next 3 or 4 competing for the middle tier and then the same 5 or 6 corps competing for the finals 12 spot every season? No Transfer Policies..... that every amateur youth sports organizations in the entire civilized world have ( and for good reason ). The fact that we think as a parent that plops down some dough to have our sons or daughters to play in a league, gives them the right to select the team and the coaches their kid gets to go on, is crazziass ridiculous, and unthinkable ( thus disallowed ) to everybody outside our insular, small niche activity, bubble world. Edited July 29, 2016 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeldrum Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Brasso, I'm not sure I follow your post but you raise an interesting idea...should restrictions be placed on members ability to transfer to another corps. What impact would it have on leveling the competition if a member had to sit out a year if they transferred to a higher placing corps? Similar to college football player transfers. If an FBS player transfers to another FBS school they have to sit out a year. But, if they transfer to a lower division school, like FCS, they can play immediately. So if you applied the same idea to drum corps it would reduce the number of members transferring up to a top 5 corps, but would allow them to transfer down to a lower placing corps for some other reason (costs, closer to home, just not happy...). This in some ways would force corps to develop their own members from an earlier age versus taking vets from another corps. Yeah I know, a really bad idea and perhaps not fair to the members. Just an interesting concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) Brasso posts about transfer policies... Drink. Edited July 29, 2016 by Cappybara 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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