Jeff Ream Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 6:19 AM, xandandl said: you missed the pun, binary thinker that you seem so often to be. Gino left Cadets for Magic of Orlando, then came back to Cadets. i got it. i refuse to give your attempts at humor credit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 21 hours ago, George Dixon said: In the case of BD I was particularly referring to the administrator Rudy acquired from the Cadets which was the topic of the post replied to. Yes they have developed many talented instructors & arrangers. I think that's common knowledge The other 3 corps I listed - Coats, Crown & Boston - seems to acquire their arrangers, designers and caption heads, many of which spent time in Allentown. Sorry I wasn't more clear - I have tremendous respect for BD ok so then a question....why arent the Cadets doing more to keep that talent at home? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 17 hours ago, BRASSO said: Corps migration between Corps of staff and marchers has gone on in DCI since DCI began in the 70's. George Hopkins himself ( as many long time DCI followers here no doubt know ) wasn't " home grown " in the Cadets. He never marched Cadets. He marched, and later came to the Cadets, from the Crossmen. Colin McNutt did not cut his teeth in Drum Corps in the Cadets. He started out Marching Boston, and on the staff at Boston, before years later being hired by George Hopkins and the Cadets for the Cadets Percussion line. The pivotal moment is the DCI emergence of the Cadets in the early 80's was when George Hopkins was able to secure George Zingali away from the 27th Lancers of Massachusetts. Zingali was an outstanding drill designer at the time. These are not zero sum games. Once George Hopkins secured Zingali to the Cadets to write his visuals at the Cadets, the Cadets soon took off placement wise,( and 27th Lancers with this key loss were never quite the same, went into quick decline placement wise, then folded). Every DCI corps is chock full of staffers/ marchers that began their Drum Corps initial experiences not in the Corps that they made their mark as staffers later. And yes, even the Blue Devils have key staffers/ staffers/ marchers over the years that did not start their Drum Corps experience in the C, B, A Corps of the Blue Devils Organization. Some did. But most of them there didn't. So there really is nothing new under the sun here regarding the annual migration of staffers and marchers between Corps. In such migrations where there are no compensations between Corps for the movements between Corps, there will naturally then be " losers " and also " winners " in these such annual migrations of staffers/ marchers. You want to be on the winning end of these migrations, not the losing end. BD has been.. and has little turnover of key staffers there. To the Cadets credit, for over 35 years they have been on the winning side of these annual migrations of staffers. marchers. ... again, that began when a pretty much down and out Garfield Cadets Drum Corps was able to secure the services of George Hopkins to run the operation..... George Hopkins from the Crossmen... and he then he put his new Corps ( for him ) back on the path to greatness there, to his credit.. and brought Thom Hannum in from Crossmen as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) On 10/13/2017 at 11:10 AM, HockeyDad said: Is someone holding a gun to your head, making you read this thread? You just want to shut people up. In a way, yes. Someone is holding a gun to my head, and I don't like it. If I want to stay apprised of the discussion about the Cadets in 2018, I have to suffer the malice of the many who use this thread for mayhem. Oh, they may pause occasionally for honest reaction on artistic topics. Mostly though, they're here as prosecutors of the inquisition - an inquisition that predates DCP and in which there was no crime and is no guilt. Blame DCP if you want for this stupid - and it is stupid - catch-all thread approach. I never understood why y'all thought this was a good idea. Then again, I don't agree with most of what transpires on DCP. The persistent negativity here makes me doubt whether y'all actually like drum corps. But that's where we are. If I want to know what's being discussed on DCP about the Cadets, I have no choice. You should be ashamed of yourselves. HH Edited October 16, 2017 by glory 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: ok so then a question....why arent the Cadets doing more to keep that talent at home? Really? You know better. Prior to last year, the Cadets design team (Gino, Colin, Jeff, Jay, etc) was together what? A decade? And you know what happened last year. A death in the family. Money raining from Massachusetts. Among the reason why Cadets are leading staff everywhere is there was no room at Cadets for so long for young talent to move up. You people have this entirely backwards. HH Edited October 16, 2017 by glory 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said: i got it. i refuse to give your attempts at humor credit ah the R in ream stands for Rigid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, glory said: In a way, yes. Someone is holding a gun to my head, and I don't like it. If I want to stay apprised of the discussion about the Cadets in 2018, I have to suffer the malice of the many who use this thread for mayhem. Oh, they may pause occasionally for honest reaction on artistic topics. Mostly though, they're here as prosecutors of the inquisition - an inquisition that predates DCP and in which there was no crime and is no guilt. Blame DCP if you want for this stupid - and it is stupid - catch-all thread approach. I never understood why y'all thought this was a good idea. Then again, I don't agree with most of what transpires on DCP. The persistent negativity here makes me doubt whether y'all actually like drum corps. But that's where we are. If I want to know what's being discussed on DCP about the Cadets, I have no choice. You should be ashamed of yourselves. HH You’re hilarious 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c mor Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 17 hours ago, HockeyDad said: If you keep going backwards in time, on the west coast, a lot originated in Casper WY, and Stockton and Anaheim CA. West Coast would be nothing without these.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newseditor44 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 hours ago, glory said: In a way, yes. Someone is holding a gun to my head, and I don't like it. If I want to stay apprised of the discussion about the Cadets in 2018, I have to suffer the malice of the many who use this thread for mayhem. Oh, they may pause occasionally for honest reaction on artistic topics. Mostly though, they're here as prosecutors of the inquisition - an inquisition that predates DCP and in which there was no crime and is no guilt. Blame DCP if you want for this stupid - and it is stupid - catch-all thread approach. I never understood why y'all thought this was a good idea. Then again, I don't agree with most of what transpires on DCP. The persistent negativity here makes me doubt whether y'all actually like drum corps. But that's where we are. If I want to know what's being discussed on DCP about the Cadets, I have no choice. You should be ashamed of yourselves. HH My work here is done.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtown Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 4 hours ago, glory said: You should be ashamed of yourselves. HH I'm working on that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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