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4 hours ago, xandandl said:

I was using it as the date when the downhill slope became evident not the only cause. In fact the 2017 corps was given too much beach time which helped with poor score progress during Florida swing. From there all you say is absolutely correct. No disagreement here.

One more thing. By the time the corps arrived in Florida last year they were also beat up from injuries and not enough rest. If the director had been smarter about how he scheduled the corps for the first 8 weeks that would not have been necessary AND he would not have had so many holes to fill. 

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Hoping last night does not represent another stall out like last year.  Numbers seemed weird last night.  And Boston got a huge bump.  Did they add something?

 

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Just now, cadet93 said:

Hoping last night does not represent another stall out like last year.  Numbers seemed weird last night.  And Boston got a huge bump.  Did they add something?

 

The panel last night (and tonight) features a good number of new faces who likely will not be judging during championship week. The numbers for nearly every corps was weird in some way or the other (Crossmen 7th in music analysis, Cavies 1st in guard despite having 21 counted drops, etc). 

I would remain cautiously optimistic that those numbers are not too representative of the rest of the season

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I can't imagine any guard coming in 1st place with 21 drops.

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4 minutes ago, dcikon2 said:

I can't imagine any guard coming in 1st place with 21 drops.

And ahead of BD's guard....lol.  Very interesting.  I have never understood that aspect of guard judging.  I guess it has to be bad enough that it diminishes the "effect" being attempted.  Well sorry but one drop on a huge toss is obvious and has an effect.  I have never gotten a good explanation of judging of that in WGI or DCI. 

My take has always been that you shouldn't punish the whole corps for one person's mistake.  So a player messing up on a solo, or a drum or horn member falling would not affect the score that is given.  

Doesn't make sense to me.  You are going out to perform and be judged if you make a mistake it should count against you.

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16 minutes ago, cadet93 said:

And ahead of BD's guard....lol.  Very interesting.  I have never understood that aspect of guard judging.  I guess it has to be bad enough that it diminishes the "effect" being attempted.  Well sorry but one drop on a huge toss is obvious and has an effect.  I have never gotten a good explanation of judging of that in WGI or DCI. 

My take has always been that you shouldn't punish the whole corps for one person's mistake.  So a player messing up on a solo, or a drum or horn member falling would not affect the score that is given.  

Doesn't make sense to me.  You are going out to perform and be judged if you make a mistake it should count against you.

The conversation has shifted from the contest in Carolina where Cadets competed to the contest in Minnesota where the Cavies competed and faced much wind which had an effect on the guard.

However, the comment stands that new judges are seeing the corps for the first time and evaluating both from unfamiliarity with the show AND with new eyes.  Tonight's contest also throws two other judges in the mix and sorts previous judges into different catagories. One doing GE (Music emphasis) will be doing Percussion tonight for example. Bottom line is still that the corps must do the job no matter who is assigning the placements and numbers.

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27 minutes ago, cadet93 said:

And ahead of BD's guard....lol.  Very interesting.  I have never understood that aspect of guard judging.  I guess it has to be bad enough that it diminishes the "effect" being attempted.  Well sorry but one drop on a huge toss is obvious and has an effect.  I have never gotten a good explanation of judging of that in WGI or DCI. 

My take has always been that you shouldn't punish the whole corps for one person's mistake.  So a player messing up on a solo, or a drum or horn member falling would not affect the score that is given.  

Doesn't make sense to me.  You are going out to perform and be judged if you make a mistake it should count against you.

Yes, it should... but how much? A lot depends on how basic the error is. Some cat blips the high Q flat on his trumpet feature is far more forgivable than say... the whole bari section dumping a release/while they play way out of tune to boot. At the DCI atom-splitting level... it can get very esoteric about how the competitors rank and rate.

 

The real question is this regarding that Cavies guard number:

 

Where were they in the bottom box? Was there a large spread with it .4+ under the top? If not, yeah.. I'm certain serious questions were asked about that number.

 

 

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41 minutes ago, cadet93 said:

And ahead of BD's guard....lol.  Very interesting.  I have never understood that aspect of guard judging.  I guess it has to be bad enough that it diminishes the "effect" being attempted.  Well sorry but one drop on a huge toss is obvious and has an effect.  I have never gotten a good explanation of judging of that in WGI or DCI. 

My take has always been that you shouldn't punish the whole corps for one person's mistake.  So a player messing up on a solo, or a drum or horn member falling would not affect the score that is given.  

Doesn't make sense to me.  You are going out to perform and be judged if you make a mistake it should count against you.

I know little to zip about WGI guard judging, so I ask to learn:

Is there a distinction between how punitive drops are in WGI vs DCI?

I certainly know neither is tic system, but agree that mistakes should count.

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