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1 minute ago, ShortAndFast said:

It seems like the biggest thing the Cadets need to address is program coordination.

Well, that and the tenth place horn book.

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40 minutes ago, mcjordansc said:

He does not need to step aside. He needs to run YEA and approach the Cadets like a CEO approached a business unit of a larger organization. Help with vision, approve executive hires, establish a budget, etc. Hire someone to run the Cadets day to day. You do not push out a person who has brought an organization the success Hopkins has brought the Cadets. The board helps him redirect his energy into developing a long term plan that allows the entire organization to succeed when he does decide to retire. I think if he walked away now the resulting chaos would basically remove the corps from any discussion of a championship for many, many years. 

 

Totally agree

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The next days, weeks and months are going to be critical to the long-term success of the organization. Can they retain staff and replace those who quit/were fired this year? The members have started processing their summer experience, reflecting, and thinking about next year. Will they come back, or take their hard-earned skills to another corps? Especially since so many top corps have proven they can consistently give their members shows that work, connect with the audience, and score well. 

If they have a lot of returning vets and a solid teaching staff, I think they can fight back into the top 5. The 2006 corps had 70-ish Cadet rookies, and 2007 went pretty well on a performance level to say the least. If not... Anyway, time will tell.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but Hop brought in Sal Salas and others to help design the show right? People keep saying take him out of it but I believe he took himself out. 

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35 minutes ago, ShortAndFast said:

 It's maybe worth pondering how the Cavaliers, whose entire GE/show concept was a huge pile of electronic cheese, somehow managed to better connect with the audience and judges.

It's because their show was more fun, and had lighter subject material than the Cadets show did, period.

MASS is a deep, daaaaaaaaaark piece that dives into the topic of having a crisis of faith, portrayed in one specific expression but designed to have its core ideas easily translatable to all facets of "faith." Cadets had no shot of hitting every nuance of a 2+ hour piece in just 11 minutes, so a lot of subtext went by the wayside in favor of the more theatrical aspects of the work. This plan was VERY hit/miss throughout the season. As someone who has seen MASS, they portrayed the main ideas very well, but in a very CATHOLIC way. That last bit is what sunk them with a contingent of fans who either don't like any sort of religious connotations put on them in any manner, or those who simply became overwhelmed with the sheer amount of imagery thrown at them. 

I maintain that 2017 was leagues above the design 2016 was. 2017 may have been overwhelming, but it certainly wasn't confusing or incoherent like 2016 was. Fixing that in their design was step 1 for the Cadets. Now to relearn the art of subtlety, a substantially larger task...

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43 minutes ago, exitmusic said:

Well, that and the tenth place horn book.

Written and played down for a much, MUCH younger hornline. I think George said on a Facebook Live at one point that they only had 15 or so ageouts this year in the brass.

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12 brass age outs

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21 minutes ago, Brass34 said:

12 brass age outs

yup - 58 potentially return - say you lose a dozen to 20 - that's 38-46 returning, maybe as many as 48-50. Bodes well for next season, real well. As long as they return that is.

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2 minutes ago, George Dixon said:

yup - 58 potentially return - say you lose a dozen to 20 - that's 38-46 returning, maybe as many as 48-50. Bodes well for next season, real well. As long as they return that is.

George, how does this compare historically with Cadets, and with other top 12 corps?

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Cadets had like 47 vets in the hornine in 2016/15 - so this is in line with that or potentially slightly higher - I believe

Corps like BD/Coats/Crown (and usually cadets) age out between 45-50 each year plus some don't return due to "life"

Cadets have many age outs in guard - which are spots easier to fill frankly

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