Terri Schehr Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 9 hours ago, PeterGibbons said: Technically ... the Browns did not move to Baltimore. The Ravens are considered an expansion team and the Browns were on hiatus for a few years. Uh oh. Don't tell Jim. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cube Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 10 hours ago, PeterGibbons said: Technically ... the Browns did not move to Baltimore. The Ravens are considered an expansion team and the Browns were on hiatus for a few years. Technically... The Browns moved to Baltimore and the new Browns are an expansion team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, cube said: Technically... The Browns moved to Baltimore and the new Browns are an expansion team. Now I'm confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, PeterGibbons said: Technically ... the Browns did not move to Baltimore. The Ravens are considered an expansion team and the Browns were on hiatus for a few years. Very technically. LOL. Baltimore enticed the Browns to move. It was not an expansion franchise granted by the NFL, per se. In this case, the NFL did what it should have done in 1984 when the Baltimore Colts moved to Indy... it required the uprooted Browns to start as a new franchise with a new name, and kept the team records for the new Browns franchise that was created in Cleveland. I can't blame Browns fans for being angry. Heck, Colts fans in '84 were livid here... well before my time here, but I've heard the stories. Being much more of a college football fan, I have no dog in either fight here. But a bit of context.... the NFL had been openly dismissive of Baltimore's efforts to win an expansion franchise in the 1990s, instead granting franchises to Charlotte and Jacksonville when quite frankly, Baltimore's bid was far superior to that of either of those cities. NFL commish Paul Tagliabue... IMO one of the most arrogant creeps to ever walk the face of the Earth...... even said Baltimore should "build a museum instead" with the money the city was using for the expansion bid. So... spurned by the NFL, Baltimore went shopping. And bought, then opened, the Ravens Museum. LOL Edited August 18, 2017 by Fran Haring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Any chance a corps could announce some staff changes soon, so we can get back to business here??? LOL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said: Now I'm confused (To prevent further embarrassment, get rid of the blond hair.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Fran Haring said: Any chance a corps could announce some staff changes soon, so we can get back to business here??? LOL Not until after Labor Day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liahona Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Fran Haring said: Any chance a corps could announce some staff changes soon, so we can get back to business here??? LOL ZERO...not til AFTER labor day as per the directors meeting... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwillis35 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Fran Haring said: Very technically. LOL. Baltimore enticed the Browns to move. It was not an expansion franchise granted by the NFL, per se. In this case, the NFL did what it should have done in 1984 when the Baltimore Colts moved to Indy... it required the uprooted Browns to start as a new franchise with a new name, and kept the team records for the new Browns franchise that was created in Cleveland. I can't blame Browns fans for being angry. Heck, Colts fans in '84 were livid here... well before my time here, but I've heard the stories. Being much more of a college football fan, I have no dog in either fight here. But a bit of context here.... the NFL had been openly dismissive of Baltimore's efforts to win an expansion franchise in the 1990s, instead granting franchises to Charlotte and Jacksonville when quite frankly, Baltimore's bid was far superior to that of either of those cities. NFL commish Paul Tagliabue... IMO one of the most arrogant creeps to ever walk the face of the Earth...... even said Baltimore should "build a museum instead" with the money the city was using for the expansion bid. So... spurned by the NFL, Baltimore went shopping. And bought, then opened, the Ravens Museum. LOL While we are off topic for a while -- probably until after labor day -- I will add to this. I agree with what you said. When Baltimore lost their team in 1984 it did indeed sound like NFL commissioner, Paul Tagliabue, wanted to move on without Baltimore. He was positioning the NFL to be a league for upscale cities who could afford teams. He didn't quite get his way, but the NFL continues to move in that direction. As a longtime Cleveland Browns fan we new things were going to be shook up in the early 90s when it was apparent that the city needed to get the Indians and Browns out of the same stadium. The old Cleveland Stadium was no place for baseball so the city moved to build the new baseball stadium. In hindsight it was a great move and Jacobs Field, now Progressive Field, is one of the better MLB parks in the country. But this move ###### off Art Model who had been begging the city to build his Browns a new stadium. They promised they would get that done, but baseball had to come first. The Browns could play in the old stadium for a year or two more (as bad as that stadium was), but the Indians could not. All of this happened at the perfect time for Baltimore who saw what was happening in Cleveland. They knew Art Model could be persuaded to move his team. Art offered the city a last chance to make the stadium happen, but by then the city had committed to the Indians stadium first. Baltimore officials met with Model and that was about all she wrote. In order to smooth things over, the NFL stepped in to make sure the new Baltimore team would not be called the Baltimore Browns, but the Ravens. Cleveland was almost immediately guaranteed an expansion team by the NFL when the league was ready for the next expansion, and that team would again be called the Browns. Cleveland was also able to keep their records and history and colors. What I've learned is that it's very hard to root for an expansion team. It never felt the same. Of course, throw in the losing records and poor management and my interest in the NFL has waned considerable over the years. More teams continue to move and football seems to be under a lot of scrutiny. I will always love football, and the NFL is still #1 in TV and total revenue, but I wonder how long that will last. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, jwillis35 said: W In hindsight it was a great move and Jacobs Field, now Progressive Field, is one of the better MLB parks in the country. I hear that... a buddy and I flew out from Baltimore for an Indians-Orioles game at "the Jake" in its first season, 1994. GREAT ballpark. We had bleacher seats... and so we got a first-hand experience watching and listening to the guy with the bass drum. He was awesome!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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