karuna Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) REALLY Nice to see such a great panel in Valdosta last night. I'm sure it was a refreshing change to hear Jeff Prosperie on drums , Chester Phillips on brass, etc.. after some of the unique personalities who judged some recent contests. Hopefully the tapes and discussion in critique will lead to a lot of growth as Crown moves on to Western Carolina for some rehearsal / clinic days. Up next after that: DCI N Kentucky on Saturday with the Bluecoats and then DCI MidWest on Sunday with Coats and Devils! Edited July 11, 2018 by karuna 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito365 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Ediker said: It's a significant number, but it's not as if the other 71% of the guard is incompetent. I didn't say they were? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karuna Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 7:28 PM, Cappybara said: Theyre saying that the design is inadequate, where there are inconsistencies, and making predictions on placement What exactly does inadequate mean in terms of construction, orchestration , pacing, unity etc... ? Please explain what your comment means in terms of actual design criteria. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 hour ago, karuna said: What exactly does inadequate mean in terms of construction, orchestration , pacing, unity etc... ? Please explain what your comment means in terms of actual design criteria. Sure. Keep in mind these are my opinions, no need to get riled up over them, and remember, you asked for them, this was not unsolicited. 1. Starting with adherence to theme, this show is very un-"beast-like" until the movement after the ballad. Other than those white tooth looking things (they really do not read well from above and are arranged on the field in such a way that it's unclear what they are) and the static prop for most of the show (ill get to that later), there is nothing in the first 2/3 of the show that really conveys the aggression and tension you would expect to see from a show like this. I think part of the reason for this is because Crown's hornline has such a pure, organ-like sound. The other part of it is that I just think the music does not fit well with the theme; It just doesn't fit the tribal mood that it seems like they're trying to convey (atleast, it seems like that's what they're trying to convey judging by their attire, the props, the dancing, etc). The 2nd movement especially is characterized by way too many quiet moments. From my understanding, they are "hunting" or avoiding being hunted here (it's hard to tell), so I can see why it is arranged like this, but there should be points interspersed in between, either through voice-overs, unison colorguard catches, hornline hits, percussion hits, etc that signal this. There's no tension, no build up. What I'm getting at with this point is that while the pacing is okay in the sense that they aren't doing anything egregious like having 2 ballads back-to-back, the first half starts to feel like it's dragging because the expectation of pace and mood that comes from a show titled "beast" does not occur. 2. The show is entirely too reliant on the hornline to provide big moments. There is no significant visual moments in the show except in the opener, and then not until the prop gets rolled out and then towards the end when the guard provides immense field coverage. I actually think the guard staging is really great in this show, it doesn't feel like a separate entity from the rest of the corps. However, a lot of the work they're doing seems to be sectioned out into pods even though they're all lined up together. This gives a pretty disjointed look, especially since some are split between rifles and flags and doesn't lend to many big wow moments. Not to say that what they're doing isn't challenging, I'm sure it is. 3. The elephant in the room, or beast I guess, the static prop. Typically beasts move around a little, don't they? I just think the prop is a very poor implementation. The corps treats it like an obstacle getting in the way of the drill for 2/3 of the show and not just that, there is no interaction with it until they get on top of it! When the guard or hornline get near the prop, shouldn't there be some sort of reaction or emotion to it? Why should the audience feel anything but ambivalence toward it if the corps is doing the same? 4. Clarity, or lack thereof. I think the main issue here is starting with the ballad. For some reason, they inserted two guard members who get staged up front and center during the ballad and they're, in love? Dancing? Why? Where did they come from and where were they the first half of the show? Again, it is hard to get the viewer invested in everything if there is no time or build up for the audience to get to know the "characters". Prior to that, it could be accepted that this would be a more abstract storyline where there is generally a beast present, they are hunting it, and then they slay it. But when you start incorporating specific characters like in the ballad, you start to question what is going on at all. I can't comment on the technical aspects of the orchestration. Their brass and percussion are scoring fantastically, I trust the judge's assessment on that. It's a talented corps, but there's a lot that I feel like the design team needs to flesh out better and little time to do so. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn craig Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 5:39 PM, Incognito365 said: Some people are oblivious, and some just choose to be oblivious. The props are literally ribcages. People have said it multiple times on here, but people just choose not to listen. Lol. If there suppose to be ribs fine but the first thing I thought in the movie theater was tusks. I don't get ribs at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, shawn craig said: If there suppose to be ribs fine but the first thing I thought in the movie theater was tusks. I don't get ribs at all. Nope, if you don't get it, you're definitely an idiot (I was being sarcastic in case that wasn't clear) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn craig Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 28 minutes ago, Cappybara said: Nope, if you don't get it, you're definitely an idiot (I was being sarcastic in case that wasn't clear) Ribs are bones, teeth are a type of bone and tusks are a type of teeth so close enough for jazz, oh wait wrong corps for jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrownBariDad Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 37 minutes ago, shawn craig said: If there suppose to be ribs fine but the first thing I thought in the movie theater was tusks. I don't get ribs at all. Tusk! That would translate nicely to "marching band", don't you think? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gak27 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, CrownBariDad said: Tusk! That would translate nicely to "marching band", don't you think? Fleetwood Mac and USC thought so... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrownBariDad Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 minute ago, gak27 said: Fleetwood Mac and USC thought so... Would be a nice surprise finale, a la "Freebird"/Rach Star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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