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49 minutes ago, onionhead said:

well if Blue Devils don't win.......... it will be because of Trump !!

 I thought George Bush was at fault. ( but maybe it was the Bush's fault for BD winning in the 80's/ 90's... lol )

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1 hour ago, BRASSO said:

 I thought George Bush was at fault. ( but maybe it was the Bush's fault for BD winning in the 80's/ 90's... lol )

Actually, as far as top 2 finishes go, since coming into their dynasty during the Ford administration, it was the first Bush who they fared the worst under.  They didn't even make the top 3.  Apparently winning a medal would not have been prudent at that time.

Top 2 finishes by president:

Trump 1/1

Obama 8/8

Bush 6/8

Clinton 4/8

Bush 0/4

Reagan 5/8

Carter 3/4

 

 

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8 hours ago, skevinp said:

Trump 1/1

Obama 8/8

Bush 6/8

Clinton 4/8

Bush 0/4

Reagan 5/8

Carter 3/4

So Blue Devils has made  top two 75% of the time under Democratic presidency and only 57% of the time under Republican presidency.

 

My prediction: the next 3-7 years could be rough for BD...

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 In DCA,  how did the Bushwackers do under Bush years ? Well ?.....or did they get wacked ?

 

 

 

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(Reposting from a similar thread)

Championship Contenders

Blue Devils and Carolina Crown - No elaboration needed for BD.  CC is likely to field the kind of design that put them on top.  Percussion will begin to rival their amazing brass, and the colorguard will be stronger.  These two corps will be the class of the field in 2018.  

Medal Pool

Santa Clara, Cavaliers, Boston Crusaders, and Bluecoats - Santa Clara will remain strong.  The Cavies' stock is still rising, propelled by MM maturity, experience, and their brand's re-acquired "it" factor.  Boston's wave has still not crested.  Retained veterans and an uptick in experienced recruits will keep upward pressure on design, demand, and placement.  Bluecoats have weathered their first post-championship season.  Their return to the medal hunt will be unhampered by having "just won" (an affliction to which only BD is immune).  

Mid-tier

Blue Knights, Cadets, Phantom, and Blue Stars - BK's brass has been consistently good and their percussion was the talk of Indy in 2017.  With an improved guard and a design worthy of the performers, they have a chance to top this tier and possibly snag a top 5 finish.  Member retention and an aggressive recruiting effort are solidifying the Cadets' position in this group.  Early design readiness will be key to allowing this corps' MMs and championship DNA to deliver and climb.  Fine-tuning the Phantom Mystique, and fielding a design that conveys it, will show the younger generation why the "dinos" still revere this corps.  Blue Stars were victorious in their last duel with Crossmen.  To rise within this group, they will need more design "wow factor" to challenge Phantom, Cadets, and BK.

Finalist Contenders

Crossmen, Madison, Mandarins, Colts, and Academy - Crossmen are likely to remain solid finalists and challengers to the mid-tier.  Madison has both passionate MMs and fans.  The question is how these strengths will be channeled.  Mandarins are putting the most pressure on the others.  Colts have a chance to jump in, and Academy needs a dose of their 2016 magic to challenge.  

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 Ediker's overall placement predictions here seem pretty reasonable, imo... given most of us ( myself included ) know so very little at the moment on how Corps camps are going , and what the designs of the shows will ultimately look and sound like with all these Corps. I think Crown's projection to be in a 2 way race with BD for the 2018 Title is maybe a bit too optimistic for them. I guess I see Crown's Design team having to come up with an improved design than that of 2017 to be in position to move up and be in this two way only 2018 race tier with BD. But a 3rd place finish in 2017 with the show they had, should make such a 2018 prediction of 1-2 certainly not out of the question though either, imo.

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1 hour ago, Ediker said:

 

Blue Knights, Cadets, Phantom, and Blue Stars - BK's brass has been consistently good and their percussion was the talk of Indy in 2017.  With an improved guard and a design worthy of the performers, they have a chance to top this tier and possibly snag a top 5 finish.  Member retention and an aggressive recruiting effort are solidifying the Cadets' position in this group.  Early design readiness will be key to allowing this corps' MMs and championship DNA to deliver and climb.  Fine-tuning the Phantom Mystique, and fielding a design that conveys it, will show the younger generation why the "dinos" still revere this corps.  Blue Stars were victorious in their last duel with Crossmen.  To rise within this group, they will need more design "wow factor" to challenge Phantom, Cadets, and BK.

 

People have been talking about BK percussion for years but the judges havent been giving the same love. Last 4 years they have been 6th twice and 9th twice so mostly they get what they are placing overall or lower.  Brass will also be different since they have a new staff if I am correct.  Positive is they still have the crazy design team that will make the show a complete thinker.

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1 hour ago, BRASSO said:

 I think Crown's projection to be in a 2 way race with BD for the 2018 Title is maybe a bit too optimistic for them. I guess I see Crown's Design team having to come up with an improved design than that of 2017 to be in position to move up and be in this two way only 2018 race tier with BD. But a 3rd place finish in 2017 with the show they had, should make such a 2018 prediction of 1-2 certainly not out of the question though either, imo.

Yeah, I go back and forth with Crown.  My gut has been discounting them in recent years, but examining the details changes my mind. In terms of overall 2017 show design, their show was arguably the most accessible and definitely the most polarizing.  In a field where their competitions' shows could be characterized as "Wow, wow, wow", Crown had a show that was "WOW-WOW-WOW, wait a minute..., wtf?"... and they still medaled.  If Crown's design team can do a whole show, with WOWs like 2017's first 5 minutes, they'll be on fire in 2018.  Provided, of course, that the MMs perform it as well as 2017.  

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7 minutes ago, BlueStainGlass said:

People have been talking about BK percussion for years but the judges havent been giving the same love. Last 4 years they have been 6th twice and 9th twice so mostly they get what they are placing overall or lower.  Brass will also be different since they have a new staff if I am correct.  Positive is they still have the crazy design team that will make the show a complete thinker.

There is some truth to the "slotting" argument.  BK's and, previously, Santa Clara's percussion sections have been victims of it.  The further a season progresses, the more likely judges are to rank individual captions near the corps' overall placement.  BK's show designs do set them apart, often on their own placement island.  Like Cadets, BK's visual design was distinctive for having more variety and saturation of color than others.  They looked great.  I wanted to like BK's show in 2017, but struggled with the overall concept.  It might be because, as you describe, the designers went for a "thinking" show.  When it comes to art forms, like drum corps, my tendency is toward things that make me feel something.  

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11 hours ago, Ediker said:

When it comes to art forms, like drum corps, my tendency is toward things that make me feel something. 

Nice comment. I think I agree. Just what makes me "feel something" is still pretty fuzzy. BD, SCV, Cavies grabbed me every time I saw them last summer. I felt great after those shows. Not so much after several other finalists, even though I appreciated their good performances. But now hoping they all grab me in 2018.

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