How About Some Common Ground?

[wolfgang]

33 minutes ago, Stu said:

 

Simple question: Was Hopkins lying when he stated that BD was using recorded dubbed brass?

And even if he was, for the integrity of the brass/ensemble judging, would it not be wise to be proactive to prohibit such things?

Edited August 24, 2017 by wolfgang

[Jeff Ream]

6 minutes ago, Stu said:

 

Simple question: Was Hopkins lying when he stated that BD was using recorded dubbed brass?

he could be telling the truth. But it's Hop so people will discount half of what he says because he's Hop.

 

Here's the problem....when you're in a huge stadium and in the box...how can you tell whats actual brass players generated and whats coming thru a speaker at the same time? Sadly the whole thing is a " we have to trust you" proposition....and like with BD 07 and the Jabba Laugh, Bloo using an ipad to control before it was legal and others....there's a whole lot that can be snuck in. Then it 's like the old days trying to catch overage members...lots of corps trying to catch other corps cheating

[Cappybara]

32 minutes ago, Stu said:

 

Simple question: Was Hopkins lying when he stated that BD was using recorded dubbed brass?

This issue came up on Reddit and current 2017 BD members debunked it. 

[ouooga]

59 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:

well to BD's credit, they were scoring well before the tarp.

Agreed. But let's just say the day they added the tarp, their score went up 1 point, and they'd been going up 0.5 per show (just keeping the math simple, this isn't what happened). You could make a case that the tarp, then was valued at 0.5 as well. By that logic, the first show without the tarp their score should have had a 0.5 deficit, but that isn't what happened. It's not about what you have/don't have, it's about what you bring to the field that night and how you use it that night.

[Cappybara]

4 hours ago, wolfgang said:

Another poster made this allegation. In a larger sense it's irrelevant if it's been done (yet) or not.  If the ability to do this exists (it does), and if this type of thing could or would give a distorted version of the actual playing, then imo it makes sense to get out in front of things and make it against the rules. 

I love creativity, but when something has the potential to influence a music score through artificial means, that seems to me to be contrary to the concept of good sportsmanship.  

As technology develops, I'd rather DCI be proactive rather than reactive.

 

I see, you made it sound like you were talking about a specific corps doing it. 

[Cappybara]

4 minutes ago, ouooga said:

Agreed. But let's just say the day they added the tarp, their score went up 1 point, and they'd been going up 0.5 per show (just keeping the math simple, this isn't what happened). You could make a case that the tarp, then was valued at 0.5 as well. By that logic, the first show without the tarp their score should have had a 0.5 deficit, but that isn't what happened. It's not about what you have/don't have, it's about what you bring to the field that night and how you use it that night.

But not every judge values the same thing the same way. You can't just assign a 0.5 value to it.

scores are also relative night to night so you can't compare one night's score to another. 

 

Edited August 24, 2017 by Cappybara

[Stu]

15 minutes ago, Cappybara said:

This issue came up on Reddit and current 2017 BD members debunked it. 

Debunked is a polite indirect way to say the other person was lying; so that means you read on Reddit where current BD members were indirectly claiming Hopkins had lied.

[Triple Forte]

23 hours ago, Hrothgar15 said:

Should show in GE and performance .

I agree!!

[Stu]

43 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:

he could be telling the truth. But it's Hop so people will discount half of what he says because he's Hop.

 

Here's the problem....when you're in a huge stadium and in the box...how can you tell whats actual brass players generated and whats coming thru a speaker at the same time? Sadly the whole thing is a " we have to trust you" proposition....and like with BD 07 and the Jabba Laugh, Bloo using an ipad to control before it was legal and others....there's a whole lot that can be snuck in. Then it 's like the old days trying to catch overage members...lots of corps trying to catch other corps cheating

If it is legal there is no problem of cheating. Hop also stated that recordings, dubbing, etc... were used creatively within the confines of the rules, but just beyond what people thought would happen.

[Jeff Ream]

25 minutes ago, ouooga said:

Agreed. But let's just say the day they added the tarp, their score went up 1 point, and they'd been going up 0.5 per show (just keeping the math simple, this isn't what happened). You could make a case that the tarp, then was valued at 0.5 as well. By that logic, the first show without the tarp their score should have had a 0.5 deficit, but that isn't what happened. It's not about what you have/don't have, it's about what you bring to the field that night and how you use it that night.

anymore, unless a corps took several days before a show, scores arent going up a full point between shows that late in the season.

 

but to counter your argument...so ok, no tarp. the other captions couldnt have improved enough to make up for it? with a full non finals panel, there's 8 sheets in use arriving at a total number. it's more than just one thing that can affect a score.