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At some point, forcing the whole Irish thing into a show needs to stop. I get that Pioneer uses this as their identity, but this is quite a stretch. I mean, last year they originally were going to call the show Prisoner #somethingorother and then changed the show to Irish on Broadway: The Music of Les Miserables.

Now it's a dragon show, but it has to be Irish dragons. I just don't get it. It seems forced, and not very creative.

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Just now, dcifan1999 said:

Now it's a dragon show, but it has to be Irish dragons. I just don't get it. It seems forced, and not very creative.

Especially since we all know that dragons are Welsh.

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Just now, Eleran said:

Especially since we all know that dragons are Welsh.

Or if they really wanted to explore something, they'd go with serpents, as those are plentiful in Irish folklore and mythology, but dragons, nope.

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Did anyone else notice that there are two concurrent threads for Pioneer 2018?

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As with any corps, things tend to develop as the season goes on. The name, at this point, is what it is. I can't wait for you to hear the MUSIC. It doesn't sound like anything Pioneer has ever played thanks to our new Brass Composer/Arranger, Rob Stein. 

I know everyone is worried about the title and the use of "Irish,"  but I think you'll find that this program will bring a darker sound and feel than what you are used to hearing from Pioneer, and perhaps a different side of what "Irish" can be. Our brass staff has already begun developing our signature sound with the current members, and they are further along than they have ever been at this point in the year. We're working hard to prepare our students to blow you away at the first show in Whitewater, Wisconsin on June 23.

We appreciate the support, everyone!

 

Andy Grindle

Brass Caption Supervisor

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3 hours ago, PioBrass18 said:

I know everyone is worried about the title and the use of "Irish,"  but I think you'll find that this program will bring a darker sound

So,  you're saying it will be like ... 

 

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3 minutes ago, Eleran said:

So,  you're saying it will be like ... 

 

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well, they drink it warm in ireland I am told so Pioneer may be hoping to be hot.

But Eleran, a Pioneer in Ireland is someone who abstains from all alcohol in reparation for the sins of the British and other world evils in our midst. http://www.pioneerassociation.ie/media-centre  

And Wales is but 300 miles from Ireland. If Tampa can be Boston for the Crusaders and Indianapolis can be Wisconsin for Blue Stars and Madison Scouts,  what's one shoreside over another for Wales, Erin, and Pioneer with both on the Irish Sea?

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6 hours ago, PioBrass18 said:

As with any corps, things tend to develop as the season goes on. The name, at this point, is what it is. I can't wait for you to hear the MUSIC. It doesn't sound like anything Pioneer has ever played thanks to our new Brass Composer/Arranger, Rob Stein. 

I know everyone is worried about the title and the use of "Irish,"  but I think you'll find that this program will bring a darker sound and feel than what you are used to hearing from Pioneer, and perhaps a different side of what "Irish" can be. Our brass staff has already begun developing our signature sound with the current members, and they are further along than they have ever been at this point in the year. We're working hard to prepare our students to blow you away at the first show in Whitewater, Wisconsin on June 23.

We appreciate the support, everyone!

 

Andy Grindle

Brass Caption Supervisor

I appreciate your optimism, but one argument I have always made, and feel strongly about is the whole commitment to the Irish theme, and too often done in a forced way.

That said, it's a pretty bold statement to say that Pioneer is further along than they have ever been. Through the 90's, and even some years since their success in the mid 90's, Pioneer has been very strong.

However, based on what the corps has done the past number of years, coupled with the fact that it's only December 6, having only held a few auditions/camp type rehearsals, I'm curious what makes you say this.

This makes me have a few questions. Since things are further along than they have ever been:

1. Are numbers greater than they have been at this point of auditioned and accepted members?

2. Is the talent/experience level greater?

Having been around the activity a long time, and having spent some time on the brass staff, as well as being at camps, I'm very curious to see what your response is.

For example, in 1997, Pioneer went Division 1, and had a full hornline, but that wasn't the case until almost the season, and even then many of the members were barely playing the show, if it all. I was dating a member of the hornline that season while I was marching in another corps, and was able to learn this information first hand.

Also, in 2005, we averaged about 30 members of the hornline at camps until about April, when the numbers went up.

Based on the size the corps and hornline has been in recent years, and their talent level in performance, I'd love to know.

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