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2 hours ago, Cappybara said:

The NFL monetizes the military and patriotism. the players weren’t even a part of the NFL anthem display before games until 2009 when the NFL signed a deal with the Department of Defense and National Guard to receive millions of taxpayer dollars in exchange for patriotic displays. A sad, sad shame. 

 

 Yes, " taxpayor dollars " for Billionaires ( NFL owners ) and Millionaires ( NFL Players )  to finance their stadiums really is shameful too, imo. My guess, future referedums on the part of the tax paying public to taxpayor subsidize these folks to the collective tune of over a trillion dollars across the country over the last few decades has come to a screeching halt now too after the NFL has gone down this road.. San Diego recently voted taxpayor funding down to the NFL's Chargers, forcing the Chargers to hit the road out of San Diego. Any future quest for financially stretched , average means, middle class people to fund these wealthy NFL people with their stadium sports games is now a guaranteed future non starter. Let these billionaires and millionaires finance their own stadiums.... with their own money. Then they can do whatever they want in them.

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22 minutes ago, corpsjazz said:

Sorry Brasso, but this type of jingoism is offensive to many.   I presume you got your information from a less than reliable or accurate source. That does not forgive your insult to many countries in your rant.  Rabid nationalism nor blind pride excuses false statements about other societies, their laws or their cultures. Shame.

You might want to study where these various countries rank in terms of freedoms. Many studies conducted by respected U.S. authorities - those without an agenda - put many of these countries ahead of the U.S. in freedoms, including freedom of expression and speech. You may also want to take a look at the charters and constitutions of the countries which are your G7, G20,  and NATO allies. Of course,  some of these countries had or have outdated laws still on the books, many of which have been declared void by various higher courts.

Finally, look around your city and look at the involvement of government in everything - size of curbs, width and location of roads, welfare payments, subsidized housing, fire and police, school standards, surveillance, use of private property, how businesses operate, build and market their products, etc. Is the U.S. more or less socialist than some of the "Socialist Countries" ?

Your discussion has nothing to do with the topic nor should it appear in a drum corps forum. That you have used this form to insult many of the nationalities from which drum corps fans or members are drawn is inappropriate. Some response was warranted.

Belonging to one those nationalities mentioned, I agree with corpsjazz.  Let's get back to drumcorps proper.

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14 minutes ago, Bob P. said:

Belonging to one those nationalities mentioned, I agree with corpsjazz.  Let's get back to drumcorps proper.

I would agree about getting back to Drum Corps but I've also been of the mind that politics does affect drum corps band the Arts etc etc.and should be discussed. Often many drum corps people feel we are immune from the world around us and that's simply not true. How about discuss when the American flag sections were removed or at least not required for drum corps as well as Winter guard which for winter guard took place many decades ago. Relate that to today's divided opinions.

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1 hour ago, corpsjazz said:

Sorry Brasso, but this type of jingoism is offensive to many.   I presume you got your information from a less than reliable or accurate source. That does not forgive your insult to many countries in your rant.  Rabid nationalism nor blind pride excuses false statements about other societies, their laws or their cultures. Shame.

 

Care to correct what was incorrect?  I'd be interested to learn. Or were you posting just to let the internet know that you're offended?

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1 hour ago, GUARDLING said:

 Often many drum corps people feel we are immune from the world around us and that's simply not true. 

 I give Drum Corps fans, marchers, staffers much more credit than this however. From my experiences, most Drum Corps people don't live in a cave, and are not " immune " to what is happening daily around them. Quite the contrary. Even the very young seem quite aware of what is going on in the world, and know they are not immune to its effects, and quite apart from Drum Corps.

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