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8 hours ago, Stu said:

Letter of the law, I agree with you. But an organization can go above and beyond the legal minimum if they desire. Let's say there are two non profit organizations that govern over youth activities. The first follows the law, discloses their 990's to the public, but keeps all policies secret and will not provide any info apart from what they have to do legally even to parents of the youth who are in organizations in which they govern.  The second follows the law, discloses their 990's to the public, but also informs the public about their Code of Conduct Policy, their Sexual Abuse Policy, their Hiring Policy, their Whistle Blower Policy, and their Bylaws. Which youth governing organization is attempting to inform folks that they are looking out for the best interest of the youth, and which acts like there might be something shady to hide?

but......remember this is what helps muddies the water:

 

DCI is the corps. Therefore I would think it would be more incumbent upon the corps themselves to publish all of your list than DCI itself.

 

I'm not saying I agree or don't agree with their decision not to post. But, being an admin in a circuit, while with major differences being scholastic, I understand possible internal reasons not everything is made public.

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5 hours ago, HockeyDad said:

Could you imagine Stu picking apart a dci policies and procedures manual?  That alone would be reason enough to keep it in house. 

not just Stu. 

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7 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

but......remember this is what helps muddies the water:

 

DCI is the corps. Therefore I would think it would be more incumbent upon the corps themselves to publish all of your list than DCI itself.

 

I'm not saying I agree or don't agree with their decision not to post. But, being an admin in a circuit, while with major differences being scholastic, I understand possible internal reasons not everything is made public.

I, for one, have never stated 'everything' must be disclosed. In fact, I have maintained from the start that proprietary info should remain closed. However, public transparency and clarification on 'general governance' within a non profit tax exempt organization that oversees other youth organizations is not proprietary info. Openess on policies like Code of Ethics required to remain as Member Organizations muddies the waters? Come on!!! Again, the inherent problem of conflicting interest here is the structure of DCI itself which, as you say, is 'the corps themselves' and not an independent governing body. That structure lends itself to being a closed group existing within insulated secrecy.

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15 hours ago, Stu said:

I, for one, have never stated 'everything' must be disclosed. In fact, I have maintained from the start that proprietary info should remain closed. However, public transparency and clarification on 'general governance' within a non profit tax exempt organization that oversees other youth organizations is not proprietary info. Openess on policies like Code of Ethics required to remain as Member Organizations muddies the waters? Come on!!! Again, the inherent problem of conflicting interest here is the structure of DCI itself which, as you say, is 'the corps themselves' and not an independent governing body. That structure lends itself to being a closed group existing within insulated secrecy.

and as DCi has shown hundreds of times since DCp was created, what we say or do here means little to their decision making.

 

that i feel confident the issue is on their radar and is being addressed makes me sleep better at night.

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On 11/23/2017 at 11:24 PM, Jeff Ream said:

and as DCi has shown hundreds of times since DCp was created, what we say or do here means little to their decision making.

 

that i feel confident the issue is on their radar and is being addressed makes me sleep better at night.

sorry to dredge up an old thread....i try not to be that guy...but after talking to several people in Indy earlier this month, the issue IS on their radar. What will come of it, I can't say, but it is being discussed at multiple levels of the organization

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On 11/10/2017 at 8:13 AM, Jeff Ream said:

but a good attorney can get a plea deal with the ability to expunge the record after a certain period of time

That depends on the state.  Some states don't ever expunge records, they just seal them, or hide records for the general public, but one would still need to report a problem to the federal government if you were applying for a federal job.  

Spouse is an attorney and has help with this for people with various crimes on their records... 

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11 hours ago, jjeffeory said:

That depends on the state.  Some states don't ever expunge records, they just seal them, or hide records for the general public, but one would still need to report a problem to the federal government if you were applying for a federal job.  

Spouse is an attorney and has help with this for people with various crimes on their records... 

Just saw someone locally get a deal way more lenient than should have been. Former marching member and staff a few places. Teaching career  destroyed

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6 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

Just saw someone locally get a deal way more lenient than should have been. Former marching member and staff a few places. Teaching career  destroyed

From what I've seen Pennsylvania is strict about some issues and less strict about others compared to other states, but many states are especially strict about sex related convictions and violent crimes ( and DUIs) not ever being expunged or sealed.

Theft related stuff can be sealed generally from the sample that I have seen from about 6 different states around the country.

Getting a lenient deal in Pa sounds like they were extremely lucky.

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16 minutes ago, jjeffeory said:

From what I've seen Pennsylvania is strict about some issues and less strict about others compared to other states, but many states are especially strict about sex related convictions and violent crimes ( and DUIs) not ever being expunged or sealed.

Theft related stuff can be sealed generally from the sample that I have seen from about 6 different states around the country.

Getting a lenient deal in Pa sounds like they were extremely lucky.

That could be true, but if a state does not have mandatory sentencing laws or guidelines for sentencing, a judge does have a good deal of discretion. In my state (Massachusetts), the role of the person In a young person's life can play a role in sentencing. If you are a teacher, member of the clergy, coach, or youth worker and you are found guilty, you may receive a longer sentence than someone not associated with youth, and it will be to set an example. One judge who was known for giving lenient sentences in serious cases presided over one of the state's most notorious cases which involved a huge number of charges of sexual assault of a minor and multiple counts of possession of child pornography. He gave a sentence that far exceeded what prosecutors asked and his reason was to send a message since this man worked for a local public school system, the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts, and Boys and Girls Club and volunteered with local youth sports programs. This took place over twenty years ago, so it's not in reaction to #metoo or #timesup. 

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