Stu Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 8 hours ago, MikeN said: There is no 100% effective technological deterrent to piracy. There is no 100% effective deturent to any crime. But that does not mean stop trying to stay ahead of the criminals nor stop throwing them in jail for their crimes. Piriacy of intellectual property is just as much theft as stealing a car, and cracking a digital code to steal intellectual property is just the same as cracking a safe to steal jewels. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingusmonk Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 49 minutes ago, Stu said: So ... you hate it because you can't as of yet pirate and steal other people's intellectual property. King of the leap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 23 hours ago, Stu said: And those who cracked the the codes deserve to be thrown in jail; and those who use the info should be heavily fined. As for live streaming the anti-recording code can be different each stream or can randomly switch mid-stream making it harder to crack. That is why most pirating in that realm takes place post DA conversion. Well, I think the best option is to remove the reason for piracy, but that's just me. As far as the latter sentence, my point is that ALL the wasteful protection methods server to do is stop those who would be less inclined to pirate in the first place. Those who want to pirate can do so very easily. The "code crackers'" work can be used for non-nefarious reason just as much as for pirating, so I totally disagree with you in them getting jail time. I say don't make a product that's going to be an issue, or offer the product so that people can get it legally. The rest of this is just an exercise of talking about what is possible to do. It is possible to get full shows without any edits. I'll leave the morality of it to you and everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Stu said: There is no 100% effective deturent to any crime. But that does not mean stop trying to stay ahead of the criminals nor stop throwing them in jail for their crimes. Piriacy of intellectual property is just as much theft as stealing a car, and cracking a digital code to steal intellectual property is just the same as cracking a safe to steal jewels. Wow, the jails could end up being very crowded indeed. I'm for less people being in jail and saving the tax payers money. Keep the violent and dangerous people behind bars, but the rest shouldn't be in jail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 hour ago, jjeffeory said: Well, I think the best option is to remove the reason for piracy, but that's just me. The 'reason' for piracy is that someone wants something that does not belong to them and want to get it without paying for it. That is the reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 hour ago, jjeffeory said: Wow, the jails could end up being very crowded indeed. I'm for less people being in jail and saving the tax payers money. Keep the violent and dangerous people behind bars, but the rest shouldn't be in jail. When a company spends thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars on creating security code, and a narcissist tech hack breaks the code, that is a felony which deserves jail time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Stu said: There is no 100% effective deturent to any crime. But that does not mean stop trying to stay ahead of the criminals nor stop throwing them in jail for their crimes. Piriacy of intellectual property is just as much theft as stealing a car, and cracking a digital code to steal intellectual property is just the same as cracking a safe to steal jewels. sure there is...let em spend a week with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said: sure there is...let em spend a week with you It must work, none of my friends have become criminals!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Stu said: The 'reason' for piracy is that someone wants something that does not belong to them and want to get it without paying for it. That is the reason. No, there are many reasons that people pirate. Here's a list I find that goes into considerably more depth than your black and white assessment: 10 Reasons why people do piracy 1. I don’t want to pay for it. Production houses and software companies charging money for their creation is the most common reason why people do piracy, and it fuels the biggest torrent websites in the world. People just want the movies and tv shows for free. And they are quick enough to grab the opportunity facilitated by the torrent websites and other online platforms. This causes financial damage to the content creators. 2. I can’t afford it. Not all the online pirates out there are doing it just because they don’t want to pay money for the content they want to consume. Some of them may not be in the position to purchase it. A considerable example is of Adobe Photoshop, a name synonymous to photo editing, just like the iPod was for every music player in the past. Photoshop doesn’t come cheap, so, some people prefer obtaining it from elsewhere. The defenders of copyright infringement would say, leave it if you can’t afford it. One has to agree with that, you can’t just download a premium software for free just because you can’t afford it. Would it be wise for a person to steal a Rolls Royce? He won’t be able to save that much money in his entire life. People won’t do such thing in fear of going to jail. Even, piracy could lead people to prison, but the chances of getting a strict punishment are quite less. A supportive argument can be made that some of the pirates might become Photoshop experts and eventually go on to purchase it in the future. But one can’t just take home an expensive guitar just because there is a possibility of him becoming a world-class guitarist in the future and fill his home with Les Pauls. 3. It’s not available in my region This is a major rationale why many people head to torrent websites with an intention to pirate software or other things. Mostly in the case of movies and tv shows, various content creators restrict the availability in some regions, and the population remains deprived of it. Some people, who are willing to pay, just can’t accept it and make efforts to fight against the discrimination. If a friend says, hey there is this awesome TV show I have been watching lately in which people are fighting for a throne, a person might have the craving to watch it. He or she would immediately turn on the television to check the showtime but comes to know that the show doesn’t air in her country. The person would search for it on the internet and may be turned down by the restricted region tag. If the friend keeps telling how good the show is, the person might end up downloading the tv show illegally. 4. It gets delayed in my country Some production studios and software companies delay the availability rather than blocking the access to it. Some people don’t have the patience to wait till the content actually arrives in their region. So, they end up pirating the TV show or movie on from torrent websites. A workaround would be virtually teleporting to the region where the content is available. You might have heard about people using VPN connections to watch Netflix US. Sadly, Netflix started blocking users who were trying to fake their locations. But still, it’s far better than pirated their content. 5. I find it hard to purchase. The motivation of such pirates lies in the distribution system of the content creators. For example, a particular tv show might be exclusive to cable networks, but a person is having a Netflix or Hulu plan. He might not go for a cable subscription just to watch a single show. He may end up finding it on torrent websites. The ###### payment systems set up by online stores and streaming services like Apple iTunes and Netflix also adds to the misery of the people wanting to consume content legally. Most of these services require a credit card as a payment option and support for debit cards is quite limited. 6. I want to use it only once. Say, a not-so-popular low budget movie gets released, and it doesn’t feature any big Hollywood A-listers. Some people might want to watch it but aren’t sure if it would be good or not. Some may want to watch it only once. So, they decide to download the pirated movie torrent for it. Similarly, if someone wants to recover data from a storage device, they might download a premium data recovery software from pirate websites. So, one of the reasons why people do piracy is because they only want to use the content for a limited number of times. 7. The creators already have enough money Some people justify their piracy hobbies by stating the fact that the production studio or the software company already has a huge bank balance and they won’t mind one person using their stuff for free. Such people need to understand that the creators need the money to make more content in the future. If every person would tag themselves as that “one person using their stuff for free”, the companies would go bankrupt. 8. The creators have earned enough For instance, a person is downloading a pirated movie years after its release. He would give the reason that the movie creators have earned enough from the movie. They have made the profits and now it’s fine to get for free. Maybe they’ve managed to fill hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars in their pocket. It doesn’t give pirates the right to obtain their content illegally. However, the producers can offer it for free if they want. Although, in reality, they won’t do so because they’re greedy as well. 9. See, others are also doing it. Some people have this go with the flow mentality. They know that they are pirating movies, tv shows, music albums, etc. and downloading them illegally but they justify their actions by saying that other people are also downloading illegal content. 10. I don’t know that I’m a pirate Now, this is something that may sound like a WTF statement. How can a person not know that he or she is downloading the stuff illegally? But it’s true, individuals in technology and education deprived regions may not have enough knowledge about the copyright law and its infringement. They think that all the stuff available on the web is for free. They don’t know what’s legal and what’s illegal. Edited December 9, 2017 by jjeffeory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 12 hours ago, cowtown said: Anyone crack 4K bluray yet? What I read about it I hate as even the connecting cable are proprietary, I understand you can’t even watch it off-line. I feel it’s a maybe a platform killing move as I know a bunch of tech a/v nerds that bought the last issues of a top of the line UDP as back ups to avoid 4K altogether, telling as they are usually in line for the latest and greatest I'm not up on that at the moment, but there are quite a few 4k sources around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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