Jeff Ream Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 On 12/14/2017 at 8:30 PM, Brass Lover said: Or maybe...just maybe... they stayed in those places because that's where they belonged competitively? illegal use of logic on DCP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 On 12/14/2017 at 8:58 PM, Stu said: After all scores are in the first week of competition BD is sitting 1st; by Finals they may finish 1st but not lower than 3rd; slotting. Race car driver Graham Rahal finishes 1st in the first race of the season and is 1st in points; by the end of the season he is 14th in points and nowhere close to being the Champion; not slotting. Subjective competition (slotting), objective sport (not slotting). Get it now? no because as usual you try to bring in comparisons that mean nothing. and let's look at BD for a second. Name a more successful corps in the history of DCI. Is it slotting because like them or not, they consistently know how to design and get the kids to perform a show that has them at the top pretty much every year since 1975? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 On 12/15/2017 at 12:52 PM, Stu said: Here is the humor in this chatter: When all judges come from the same academic/DCI/MB experiencial mold, have the same training, the same musical and artistic value sets, look at the sheets in the same way (which is what DCI desires), the adjudicating results will be consistent; but then they are looked upon as slotting corps and/or in collusion with one another...... On the other hand, when qualified judges come from different experiences outside of academic/DCI/MB (say the commercial side), are trained differently, have different musical and artistic value sets, look at the sheets differently, and score differently from the cookie-cutter crew, they are deemed incompetent. So much so that if Wynton was secured as a guest judge, but scored brass differently than all other DCI Brass judges, even he would likely be deemed incompetent. But such is life in the bubble called the marcing arts. while DCi has their system, the judges come from affiliations in other systems nation wide, with a wide variety of backgrounds. Knowing a few people that recently went thru the training and passed, your assumption of what DCI does and doesn't tell them to do pretty much shows how the first four letters of assume apply to you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said: while DCi has their system, the judges come from affiliations in other systems nation wide, with a wide variety of backgrounds. Knowing a few people that recently went thru the training and passed, your assumption of what DCI does and doesn't tell them to do pretty much shows how the first four letters of assume apply to you When DCI starts using drum judges that have professional backrounds like Manu Katche and Carter Beauford, as opposed to professional backgrounds like Julie Davila and Jeff Prosperie, and allowes them to adjudicate according to their own diverse musical expertise, your claim that the adjudicators are diverse will have merit. But until then DCI shall still have all judges with similar cookie-cutter backgrounds and musical views. By the way, we disagree often, we have traded sarcasm in good fun, and I have a thick skin, but cut it out with these less-than subtle personal swipes. Edited December 18, 2017 by Stu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dans Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 5 hours ago, Stu said: When DCI starts using drum judges that have professional backrounds like Manu Katche and Carter Beauford, as opposed to professional backgrounds like Julie Davila and Jeff Prosperie, and allowes them to adjudicate according to their own diverse musical expertise, your claim that the adjudicators are diverse will have merit. But until then DCI shall still have all judges with similar cookie-cutter backgrounds and musical views. By the way, we disagree often, we have traded sarcasm in good fun, and I have a thick skin, but cut it out with these less-than subtle personal swipes. Come on Stu, you know Jeff Ream speaks for everyone on DCP as well as the entire Drum Corps community! Interesting how the moderators of this site ignore his insults. This site is slowly turning into the next version of RAMD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadevilina Crown Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, dans said: Come on Stu, you know Jeff Ream speaks for everyone on DCP as well as the entire Drum Corps community! Interesting how the moderators of this site ignore his insults. This site is slowly turning into the next version of RAMD. This is why I use the "Ignored Users" feature to my advantage. Edited December 18, 2017 by Cadevilina Crown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFZFAN Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Too bad there's not a "Outlaw Synthesizers" Proposal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 19 minutes ago, SFZFAN said: Too bad there's not a "Outlaw Synthesizers" Proposal. You can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube. It’s like expecting my taxes to go down in Illinois. LOLOL bwahaha. Never gonna happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said: You can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube. It’s like expecting my taxes to go down in Illinois. LOLOL bwahaha. Never gonna happen. Part of why DCI moved from Lombard/Addison to Indy. Better financial horizon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Stu said: When DCI starts using drum judges that have professional backrounds like Manu Katche and Carter Beauford, as opposed to professional backgrounds like Julie Davila and Jeff Prosperie, and allowes them to adjudicate according to their own diverse musical expertise, your claim that the adjudicators are diverse will have merit. But until then DCI shall still have all judges with similar cookie-cutter backgrounds and musical views. By the way, we disagree often, we have traded sarcasm in good fun, and I have a thick skin, but cut it out with these less-than subtle personal swipes. nothing personal....it's truth. Just because someone has a drum corps/marching band/WGI background means it's the same as the next person's as everyones level of training and experiences are different. I have the utmost respect in both Jeff and Julie, who if you know anything about them, you'd know they come from different backgrounds and upbringing in the activity. There's is no hive mindset. The judges are told to judge their sheet, and the show of the day. Until recently the drum folks were the only group i trusted to do that, but looking at the craziness on the recaps the last few years, you see that change on all of the sheets. The math doesn't lie Stu. Cry slotting, brainwashing or whatever you want...good is good and is rewarded.And as the last few championships...actually last 3...have had very narrow spreads, with no one corps dominating every sheet ( like a BD 2014), the judges are following the system put in place. I'll grant you drums and guard will still see the most variety from day to day, it's clear the slotting theories aren't real except in some people's hurt feelings thir favorite didnt do well enough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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