glory Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, N.E. Brigand said: I didn't mind it when the Bluecoats played to the back left corner and the sound was coming from the speakers up front, because we could all tell what was going on: it was a deliberate effect--just like when they did the pitch bend in "Tilt"... You liked that? Have to say it was among the biggest head scratches of the summer for me. Audio and visual just disconnected, so far as I was concerned (versus pitch blend where audio/visual blended). Wasn't just Bluecoats. Several corps were guilty in my court of not syncing sound and sight. HH Edited January 8, 2018 by glory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 27 minutes ago, glory said: You liked that? Have to say it was among the biggest head scratches of the summer for me. Audio and visual just disconnected, so far as I was concerned (versus pitch blend where audio/visual blended). Wasn't just Bluecoats. Several corps were guilty in my court of not syncing sound and sight. HH apparently the effect judges disagreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) I am proud to disagree with the effect judges consistently. Having the power to assign scores isn't necessarily the same as being right. HH Edited January 8, 2018 by glory 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, glory said: You liked that? Have to say it was among the biggest head scratches of the summer for me. Audio and visual just disconnected, so far as I was concerned (versus pitch blend where audio/visual blended). Wasn't just Bluecoats. Several corps were guilty in my court of not syncing sound and sight. HH 58 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: apparently the effect judges disagreed Don't really care about the effect judges, I'm 100% with HH. The visual/audio "disconnect" (great word) was actually disconcerting, like vertigo or getting light-headed when you stand up too quickly. For those of use "programmed" to connect visual and audio in show production... And really, if there's a focal point that would excite the imagination of the tin-foil hat crowd, it's the "relationship" between the effect judges and the program designers, it seems to me. Edited January 8, 2018 by garfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtown Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 50 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: apparently the effect judges disagreed I'm not so sure, my understanding is that's is why they changed it and turned around for the resolve anyway about amping the entire hornline, The marchers hate it, the audience hates but by god the designers know what’s best for us all as they’ve proven with some of their not-so awesome shows over the years Poor Sara Jones is rolling over in her grave The hubris of the staff, get out of your bubble, no wonder you went into music ed because you could never pay the bills insulting the audience like this and if you don’t have amps figured out after almost 15 year, then when the heck will you figure them out??? no amps for you, losers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 20 hours ago, Cadevilina Crown said: Major props to Michael Gilley of FloMarching for his work in communicating what has gone on behind the scenes this weekend. Here’s his article on the amplification/electronics meeting: https://www.flomarching.com/articles/6075144-hot-topic-dci-electronics-sound-reinforcement-and-sound-coverage I keep asking myself where did FloMarching come from all of a sudden? Is Flo the de facto replacement for Tom Blair production? Maybe a different thread is warranted, but it's probably just that I missed the initial explanation of the genesis of Flo's increasing involvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, cowtown said: I'm not so sure, my understanding is that's is why they changed it and turned around for the resolve anyway about amping the entire hornline, The marchers hate it, the audience hates but by god the designers know what’s best for us all as they’ve proven with some of their not-so awesome shows over the years Poor Sara Jones is rolling over in her grave The hubris of the staff, get out of your bubble, no wonder you went into music ed because you could never pay the bills insulting the audience like this and if you don’t have amps figured out after almost 15 year, then when the heck will you figure them out??? no amps for you, losers Wow, and someone here called ME angry! Tell us how you really feel! Ha! I thought of Sara today when I was pondering the impact of mics and amps. Funny. I'm not so sure it's hubris (although I've heard "Institutional Arrogance" used more than once), but it's clear that, whoever is leading the industry efforts to fix A&E, has failed miserably. It doesn't appear that A&E, at its core competency, has been proved or effectively implemented. Allowing mics on every instrument is not going to clean the goo that's absolutely still in the live arena, even if they can mix it out over the Live broadcast. Edited January 8, 2018 by garfield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadevilina Crown Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, garfield said: I keep asking myself where did FloMarching come from all of a sudden? Is Flo the de facto replacement for Tom Blair production? Maybe a different thread is warranted, but it's probably just that I missed the initial explanation of the genesis of Flo's increasing involvement. This is the first year in which a FloMarching representative has attended the DCI Winter Meetings. The combination of FloMarching's and DCI's breaking news coverage across all social media platforms has made for perhaps the most detailed coverage of the meetings ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, glory said: You liked that? Have to say it was among the biggest head scratches of the summer for me. Audio and visual just disconnected, so far as I was concerned (versus pitch blend where audio/visual blended). I did, again, because it seemed like an intentional effect to me. A bit like that moment in Blue Devils' "Constantly Risking Absurdity" where the guard sets up for a big rifle toss and then deliberately drops their equipment. And in general, I've opposed most so-called evolutions in recent drum corps history, but inevitably, after a few years, a handful of exceptions proves that I was wrong to be so broadly contrarian. Turns out I'm more like Jeff in that I find it's bad execution that matters more than the lousy principles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 23 hours ago, Cadevilina Crown said: Major props to Michael Gilley of FloMarching for his work in communicating what has gone on behind the scenes this weekend. Here’s his article on the amplification/electronics meeting: https://www.flomarching.com/articles/6075144-hot-topic-dci-electronics-sound-reinforcement-and-sound-coverage “The best designed sound show is one that the audience does not notice,” he [Aaron Beck (professional sound guy also w/ Bluecoats) ] said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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