BigW Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Just now, Eleran said: I edited above to note that although I quoted you because your post was the most recent about ebo's "over and over", you were not really the motivator behind the remainder of my post. Sorry. Check above. 'S-All Right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I've found that if you start reading this thread at the last page, and work backward, it is like the Seinfeld episode which began at the end and ended at the beginning. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camel lips Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, CrownBariDad said: So -- why the page? Created by a GH supporter or a troll/like-farmer trying to cash in on the recent activity? Cashing in maybe the operative term. If a FB page could generate the activity this thread has, it could easily be sold off to someone who ditches the content, but still retains the likes and ranking. I had a pro GH supporter contacting me on FB trying to somewhat sway my opinion on GH by interjecting some of his spin on the current situation. In a nutshell I told him the truth will eventually come out. It always does. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 23 minutes ago, BigW said: If I did that, I'd expect the rotten tomatoes to come flying as well as whatever anyone chose to hurl, and I'd deserve it. I wasn’t on RAMD on 2003. Long gone by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, CrownBariDad said: So -- why the page? Created by a GH supporter or a troll/like-farmer trying to cash in on the recent activity? Cashing in maybe the operative term. If a FB page could generate the activity this thread has, it could easily be sold off to someone who ditches the content, but still retains the likes and ranking. Wow. Never thought of that. But, to use that as the topic in an effort to make money? It's kinda evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camel lips Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, jwillis35 said: Having finally read the Stuart Rice claims what I came away with was this: He says he spoke with Dan at DCI and mentioned that he had "heard" that a staff member was sleeping with a student. Then he called again and says he was more specific that it was Hopkins of the Cadets who was sleeping with a student. In each case he said he "heard" these claims but had no proof. He did not provide names of the accusers, nor did he provide contact info for Dan to follow up. The accusation he clearly mentioned is "having sex with..." Not sexual abuse, rape, or other charges. Even though most corps may have a POLICY that staff and admins are not allowed to have romantic/sexual relationships with corps members, we must remember that providing this encounter was consensual and the girl/guy was 18 or over, then it's perfectly legal. Very inappropriate...but legal. Dan had to be careful about how he proceeded, and with no proof and no contact info for the accusers there is not much he can do. As much as I want to see justice served (and in my heart I believe these young ladies who have accused Hopkins), I feel Stuart is trying to stir the pot more so than is needed. He didn't offer us anything back in the days on RAMD, and he didn't offer anything credible to Dan A when he called him. And why did he NOT call the YEA board? All of this is unfortunate because in hindsight Stuart Rice -- who I always felt was a super smart guy even when I disagreed with him -- probably heard a very true story, but with no evidence and no accusers willing to talk it simply had no legs. I believe he was trying to do the right thing and I commend him for that, but DCI needed more. Stuart is a good guy but I am not sure where all of this goes from here. I still side with Dan A on this one. I just wish Dan would have remembered that conversation better, but in fairness he gets so many calls about inappropriate behavior or other complaints that it has to be difficult to remember all of them. And we must remember that the accusation was that "Hopkins was having sex with a student." Not, Hopkins is having sex with a minor, or Hopkins is raping or molesting or sexually mistreating women of his corps. I'm sorry. But you get a phone call that GH is having sex with a corps member. Your going to remember it. Its not exactly the same thing as A Caption Head or instructor at a lower scoring Open Class corps had a affair with a corps member. This was George Hopkins. Possibly the most polarizing Director of Drum and Bugle corps ever IMHO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleran Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, camel lips said: I had a pro GH supporter contacting me on FB trying to somewhat sway my opinion on GH by interjecting some of his spin on the current situation. The thing is, there really is no way anyone can spin this to make GH look good. Even if every one of the accusing women had utterly consented to each of the alleged actions, that would still be enough to demand his removal: as a staff member having sex with a marching member, or as a director having sex with employees - the simple occurrence of those actions, without regard to consent, is enough to indicate that he was unfit to retain the position. Edited April 16, 2018 by Eleran 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Just now, BigW said: Wow. Never thought of that. But, to use that as the topic in an effort to make money? It's kinda evil. And why that picture.... not posting rest of that though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said: And why that picture.... not posting rest of that though I didn't go there. Afraid to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Just now, BigW said: I didn't go there. Afraid to look. It’s being trolled big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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