George Dixon Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Rule #1 do not compare scores from different shows 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Guns Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, afd said: Ok. The west coast inflation thingie is so old. This was based on when we had circuit judges like DCM and DC West and DC East. Most is not all of those shows were local touring shows until mid or late July when a national tour was under way then it all was judge under DCI. Not anymore. It’s now ALL DCI so enough of this old school west coast inflation. And the west coast inflation has inflated into 24 DCI rings. I find it interesting that in 2011 and 2013 when Cadets and Crown came out West and won a couple shows, there was no mention of West Coast inflation. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: different show different day. Lo judged both days too Different mix of Corps too. As you know Jeff, judges compare and contrast ( and assign points ) based upon a comparison of the Corps that night in front of them. Change the mix of Corps, and on another nite, and the scores that single judge assigns to the different mix of Corps naturally can change as well.... lol Edited June 23, 2018 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenanne_1536 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, BRASSO said: Different mix of Corps too. As you know Jeff, judges compare and contrast ( and assign points ) based upon a comparison of the Corps that night in front of them. Change the mix of Corps, and on another nite, and the scores that single judge assigns to the different mix of Corps naturally can change as well.... lol Brasso for the win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenanne_1536 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, George Dixon said: Rule #1 do not compare scores from different shows Exactly. You can do it for fun, but it is not a realistic gauge. Head to head is the only way to gauge where someone really stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, queenanne_1536 said: Brasso for the win! I recall awhile back the Oregon Crusaders got a decent score ( for them ) in brass. They traveled down from Oregon to Calif, and for the first time met up with both BD and SCV. OC practiced brass for a day and a half. Got better right ? Of course. They were assigned the same brass judge they had in the previous show. They reportedly did a nice brass performance in the Calif next show. too Maybe even the brass judge thought so as well, who knows. But he gave them a LOWER brass score than a few days earlier... despite having a good practice and a bit better brass performance. Then why the lower brass score, some of their fans wanted to know ?. Well, this time that brass judge was comparing them in a competition show with BD and SCV in that mix of Corps to be judged... 2 Corps that were not in the previous show that brass judge, judged the Oregon Crusaders in. Edited June 23, 2018 by BRASSO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpaul Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BRASSO said: I recall awhile back the Oregon Crusaders got a decent score ( for them ) in brass. They traveled down from Oregon to Calif, and for the first time met up with both BD and SCV. OC practiced brass for a day and a half. Got better right ? Of course. They were assigned the same brass judge they had in the previous show. They reportedly did a nice brass performance in the Calif next show. too Maybe even the brass judge thought so as well, who knows. But he gave them a LOWER brass score than a few days earlier... despite having a good practice and a bit better brass performance. Then why the lower brass score, some of their fans wanted to know ?. Well, this time that brass judge was comparing them in a competition show with BD and SCV in that mix of Corps to be judged... 2 Corps that were not in the previous show that brass judge, judged the Oregon Crusaders in. This is a very plausible explanation of how scores can change basd on contest dynamics. The one detail that seems off is that, per standard DCI scheduling, the Oregon Crusaders would have performed well before either Blue Devils or SCV so the score they received would not have been based on a direct comparison to either of those groups. Edited June 23, 2018 by jpaul typos 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brassboy Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 A more likely explanation is that the brass judge sampled OC differently at the two shows and therefore got a different read of the same corps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, jpaul said: This is a very plausible explanation of how scores can change basd on contest dynamics. The one details that seems of is that, per standard DCI scheduling, the Oregon Crusaders would have performed well before either Blue Devils or SCV so the score they received would not have been based on a direct comparison to either of those groups. Exactly.. one final illustration of this dynamic at work is on Finals Night.. The DCI Championship. We can go back decades and see that the 12th place Corps on Finals Night invariably goes down from the score that 12th place Corps received in the Semi Finals. The national impulse from the lower score is to conclude that this 12th place Corps did not perform as well on Finals Night as they did in the Semi's. While this is true in some cases regarding that 12th place Corps performance, it does not explain for us the sheer numbers of times the 12th place Corps scores went down in 24 hours over a span of decades with all these 12th place Corps. Their scores go down almost ALL the time. We can research it, if unsure. Oftentimes the 12th place Corps has a sense of relief for making Finals, that the pressure is off, and they do a better performance on Finals Night. Yet mostly these 12th place Corps scores go down. The reason for this lower score is just what was stated here. The mix of Corps changed from Semi's to Finals. On Finals night, that 12th place Corps was now being compared to a much better quality mix of Corps, than they were in the Semi's. Ergo, their lower scores, despite oftentimes an even better performance sometimes performed on Finals Night than they gave in the Semi Finals. Edited June 23, 2018 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Harrison Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Ultimately their job is put them in the correct order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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