karuna Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, queenanne_1536 said: Not in this show it doesn't. Not at ALL at a show like this. Not at all when you are performing amongst your peers. All of you who are getting worked up about performance order are being silly. It's been proven that this has no impact on results. Not at big shows like this were eveyrone is performing. I have zero doubt Mandarins and Blue Knights are going to beat Academy, even though Acadmeny is performing after them. I have zero doubt BK is going to beat Regiment, even though BK performs an hour before them. I have zero doubt Cadets are going to beat Blue Stars, even though they perform before them. I have zero doubt Colts are going to beat Pacific Crest, even though they perform before them. I have zero doubt Madison and Spirit are going to beat Troopers even though they perform before them. I have zero doubt that if Mandarins deserve to beat Regiment they will, even though Regiment peforms 90 minutes after them. These judges are professionals. They know what they are doing. Then why is the order jumbled in groups of 3? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, karuna said: Then why is the order jumbled in groups of 3? I definitely think show order makes a difference, but the extent of that difference becomes amplified during championship and is minimal during the first couple regionals. During championship week, corps are performing very close to the 20.0 “cap” that is placed on scoring for a caption. Judges have to play the numbers management game and so they are much less likely to attribute high scores to a corps that is on much earlier. For example, I bet you Crown would not have scored a perfect 20.0 in brass in 2013 if they had not gone on last 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenanne_1536 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, karuna said: Then why is the order jumbled in groups of 3? As Cappybara said, it helps assist judges with numbers management. It is also beneficial to the corps themselves. If you were sitting around 15th place, would you really want to be sandwiched between BD and SCV? No, it is more beneficial for you to be within your peer group in the line up, and compared to your peers, not the top 2 corps. It's just silly to think a corps is going to get screwed in placement because of performance order. That is not going to happen. Again, Madison beat six corps that performed after them at SA in 2015, and by a sizeable margin over the next closest scoring corps. And lastly, plus it's better for the audiences viewing. The excitement builds as the lineup is approaching corps like Crown, Bloo, BD, and SCV. I like that the quality of the performances generally increases as the night goes on. Edited July 19, 2018 by queenanne_1536 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, queenanne_1536 said: As Cappybara said, it helps assist judges with numbers management. It is also beneficial to the corps themselves. If you were sitting around 15th place, would you really want to be sandwiched between BD and SCV? No, it is more beneficial for you to be within your peer group in the line up, and compared to your peers, not the top 2 corps. It's just silly to think a corps is going to get screwed in placement because of performance order. That is not going to happen. Again, Madison beat six corps that performed after them at SA in 2015, and by a sizeable margin over the next closest scoring corps. And lastly, plus it's better for the audiences viewing. The excitement builds as the lineup is approaching corps like Crown, Bloo, BD, and SCV. I like that the quality of the performances generally increases as the night goes on. Well, I’m half agreeing with you and half with Karuna. I agree that for San Antonio and probably even atlanta, the show order will not make a huge difference. However, I do agree with Karuna in that I think it makes a pretty difference the closer you get to the end of the season. I think that ultimately the judges get the placements right regardless of performance order, but that the spreads between said corps is highly variable depending on performance order 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenanne_1536 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Cappybara said: I agree that for San Antonio and probably even atlanta, the show order will not make a huge difference. However, I do agree with Karuna in that I think it makes a pretty difference the closer you get to the end of the season. I think that ultimately the judges get the placements right regardless of performance order, but that the spreads between said corps is highly variable depending on performance order It makes a pretty big difference the closer you get to the end of the season yet the judges get the placements right? That seems contridictory. I can't think of one single time that I've thought someone got screwed placement wise by performance order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 53 minutes ago, queenanne_1536 said: It makes a pretty big difference the closer you get to the end of the season yet the judges get the placements right? That seems contridictory. I can't think of one single time that I've thought someone got screwed placement wise by performance order. It makes a difference in the spreads but not necessarily the placements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenanne_1536 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, Cappybara said: It makes a difference in the spreads but not necessarily the placements. Agree there. It's obvious by the fact that scores drop for 8-12 every year in finals. Placements are more important than spreads though - at least getting them right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karuna Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, queenanne_1536 said: As Cappybara said, it helps assist judges with numbers management. It is also beneficial to the corps themselves. If you were sitting around 15th place, would you really want to be sandwiched between BD and SCV? No, it is more beneficial for you to be within your peer group in the line up, and compared to your peers, not the top 2 corps. It's just silly to think a corps is going to get screwed in placement because of performance order. That is not going to happen. Again, Madison beat six corps that performed after them at SA in 2015, and by a sizeable margin over the next closest scoring corps. And lastly, plus it's better for the audiences viewing. The excitement builds as the lineup is approaching corps like Crown, Bloo, BD, and SCV. I like that the quality of the performances generally increases as the night goes on. Wait. So they jumble the order so the audience and the corps aren’t bored? Right Thanks for clearing that up. Edited July 19, 2018 by karuna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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queenanne_1536 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, karuna said: Wait. So they jumble the order so the audience and the corps aren’t bored? Right Thanks for clearing that up. Good grief. I neve said bored. I said it's more exciting as the caliber of corps gets better and better. Edited July 19, 2018 by queenanne_1536 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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