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6 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said:

Discussions about placement apart from score margins almost always lead to absurd exaggerations of dominance and weakness.

"Bluecoats are getting crushed in percussion..."

 

umm... since this a percussion thread...based on last weekend's scoring they currently are... 6th place and .85 from first (add in SCV and they would have been 7th most likely).  That is a big mountain to climb.  

What will be interesting is this weekend's set of shows and with scrambling of lineups (like Crown on last at Katy versus 5th from last at San Antonio)... how does this play with the percussion margins and where does SCV drop in?  Do the rankings stay similar or is there a nightly shift mainly due to performance order?

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On 7/18/2018 at 12:09 AM, Jeff Ream said:

percussion isn't bad. You must remember the judge is back on the field all the time now, every show, and there's no upstairs percussion judge. year to year scores mean little, and Crown over the last 2 years has improved a ton! If anything, books are getting ballsier, and sometimes that takes a little longer to clean....but percussion isn't bad by any means this year

OK, but does that mean that Crown's percussion was bad in, say, 2012?

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6 hours ago, N.E. Brigand said:

OK, but does that mean that Crown's percussion was bad in, say, 2012?

For me the low water mark recently for Crown percussion was 2014... really "bad" book coupled with a really young line.  

It is also worth noting and I can't remember the exact years without looking at the videos... they lost their center snare and might have lost someone else between '10 and '12... seems like that was pretty disruptive as well if I recall. 

But "bad" is probably not the right word... as someone noted above any line in the top 12 most of us would love to be a part of because they all do rock.  It just comes down  to the book and talent level (plus the nightly run) of any said year to distinguish the "best"

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54 minutes ago, FTNK said:

I will say it would be pretty funny if Crown won percussion after all the crap they’ve taken 

It would be pretty funny if Crown beat this year's SCV in percussion. Funny peculiar. Not funny ha-ha.

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OK, what about the more general question: at approximately what score can a percussion section said to be good?

Feel free to answer that in relation to a corps' overall score.

For instance, allowing that everyone's tastes will vary, is it, say, 80%? A percussion performance of at least 16 and an overall corps performance scored at least 80?

What adjectives would you use to describe different levels of quality, and can you loosely match those adjectives to scoring ranges?

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For 2018... the lines are actually quite GOOD!!!

I think the OP is saying Crown received 18.450 (7th-2014 Finals) = Bad (based on previous DCP posts)  and then trying to draw a some weird  conclusion  that Crown 17.50 (1st-2018 mid season regional) also = Bad because since no one has yet to reach at least 18.450 ( a previously known BAD score, albeit a FINALS score) then in 2018 ALL lines = BAD to date....  

Scoring has to be discussed in terms of the book, talent, and a particular night's run coupled with a particular judges tastes/style/scoring rules. 

For example... Some 2018 feedback from the Coats on another thread from other folks... dynamic range with control is missing (mainly too loud with basic notes most of the show per the book) and also not enough movement to the Basses and Tenors...mainly snare focused.  

Contrasting to Crown 2018, lots of dynamic contrast and movement between sections to show talent.  Also nice movement between battery and front ensemble. 

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On 7/17/2018 at 10:05 PM, N.E. Brigand said:

Or when people say that Crown's percussion as the 2012-2016 seasons ended was bad, is that a serious exaggeration?

"bad" as compared to x kind of "bad". :satisfied:

 

"bad" as maybe costing them a championship or two because of the tenths lost to others kind of "bad".

 

It's not easy to take a championship when you're trying to dig out of a 6ish place hole in a caption with a certain amount of bleed into Ensemble and Effect Music and then try and make that up against competitors more consistent across the board. :winky:

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Hi,

One of the other posters hit the nail on the head -- in the past Crown's percussion book from a technical writing standpoint was behind better drum lines by quite a bit. When a percussion judge grades "content", this is where that applies; achievement basically reflects execution of that book. I have never found Crown's line to lack in achievement or be "bad" -- but their challenge/content bar was set fairly low , despite the obvious effort and intensity put in. Now percussion as a whole in DCI as far as scores is more than what I am stating; but at the end of the day, the snare book primarily with strong nod to tenors and bass defines the percussion section for that year - front ensemble is critical too -- but for them either you have the mallet book and execution or you don't. Effects with gongs, cymbals and everything else only gets you so far. Percussionists/drummers at the end of the day are listening to be blown away by an awesome book and top notch execution. In the past Crown hasn't been competitive at this level with the likes of many other corps.

That said, I am looking forward to tomorrow night in Katy Texas to hear Crown and all of the other corps. And no, they were never "bad."

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Well, this thread may be proven moot, seeing how far ahead SCV is this year for the Sanford. Case in point tonight. Like the English were saying at the World Cup, it's coming home.

1st - SCV - 18.10
Cont - 9.10, Acvh - 9.00

2nd - BD - 17.70
Cont - 8.90, Acvh - 8.80

3rd - Crown - 17.65
Cont - 8.85, Acvh - 8.80

4th - Bloo - 17.50
Cont - 8.80, Acvh - 8.70

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