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no offense, but if I got my ### booteed out finals week for doing something stupid/illegal, I'd deserve all the crap in the world. I'd expect staff to be ready to kill, fans, members...you name it. you can use the old "kids are kids" approach but sorry, this kid got and will get no sympathy for me. he put his corps in a bad light, made his feelow members spend many hours learning to cover for his sorry ###.....anyone that has sympathy is obviously someone not familiar with personal accountability and common sense.

Sorry. I forgot this was DCP and that nothing could left implicit. For the literal-minded that sentence should have began "If you guys really want to hear more details about this incident beyond the well-known facts given in this thread, you need to talk to such and so, rather than just any member of BD 2000, who is likely as in the dark about the incident as most of us." Not "we need to hear from them or we'll simply die from inappropriate curiosity." I'm sure they don't want to talk about it, as I'm sure they're all still suffering intense PTSD from this horrifying, life-wrecking trauma that occurred a mere eleven years ago.

I just saw the 2012 list, they won that too......

Interested to see what Key Poulan does arrangement wise. I think he'll be a good fit.

The entire PR organization should be proud of this achievement! To no surprise, the emotional, passionate, crowd-pleasing shows PR is known for seem to have the greatest impact and memory. http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=8d002bf7-f0fe-4f92-9876-ad053d93f321

1986 Star of Indiana ("Adventures on Earth") is DCI.org Download of the Week

Congratulations to the Blue Knights and their fans on your thrilling Drums Across the Rockies win yesterday. The way you handled the Steel City Ambassadors was impressive, even if it's becoming obvious they are a hobbled, elderly Senior Corps. That 80-yard drill move you ended your show with was great, and done at whiplash speed! You will have a much tougher task this weekend against the Boston Crusaders at the Beanpot Invitational in Foxboro. I may not get to see the game live, so I may have to Tebow it. Err... meant TiVo. Should you survive, you will be heading for a matchup with either the Yankee Rebels Alumni in Baltimore, or Gulf Coast Sound in Houston. Good luck in your journey to the DCI Championships at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indy next month. According to seeding, if you make it that far, you will likely march against either the Madison Scouts or Blue Devils, as they are the top seeds in the other bracket, though those pesky Bleu Raeders are looking mighty tough.

Either that Jeff... or threy just marched in the 80's when this was rampant in Drum Corps. I even hear that people from corps out west, partook with kids from eastern corps as they found one another at various shows. It was considered something NOT TO DO THEN AS WELL... Was it a good thing... No... Was it stupid... yes... should this kid have been treated worse that kids wetre some 16 plus years prior for the same infractions? that I do not believe should be done...

When I first heard the show in the early season I remember liking the music...thinking.."This is the Phantom Reg". Finally saw them live in Allentown..really liked the show...and after seeing them at Giants Stadium the Sunday before DCI finals...I was completely hooked. They may not have received the most ecstatic crowd reaction...but on finals night..they clearly had the longest standing ovation.....awesome :)

I just wish the judges had downloaded them more over the years as well.

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I understand what you are saying... but to be honest I think its something you should PM the father about instead of posting a comment like that on here. Yes, I know you should post your thoughts, but I kinda don't want to read that type of stuff on here. (by the way I didn't -1 you... just stating my opinion.)

I agree gbass598 !!!!

wow, a whopping 17 we can add another $W guard to the list,all of a sudden logan h.s. will now be making the trip to compete in dayton for championships!

Just noticed that SW is up to 16 now, and Aimachi was added to IW...Can't wait to see them in Dayton!!

This guy hasn't marched. Take it with a grain of salt.

Alway's like the Muchachoes.... I'd think as many time as we played it in Scouts we would be an odds on favorite.... As far as crowd reaction??? Maybe the 06 Alumni Project!!.... or I drank to much lake Mendota water????????

I never even marched with them. I was in NY. Crazy dream!

Some of us think the most horrible incident to occur during 2000 finals was.... C H R Y S T A L ! ! ! !

I take no issues with most arrangements. As a Scouts alum, I'm not a big fan of the 1996 version. I also like some things that the Cadets did with it in 2003, although the trumpet trio could have played louder. I think far and away though the 1980 version by Madison was the best.

"We" need to HEAR from? - No we really don't. I'm betting this incident is something they'd really rather not discuss - at least not on DCP. We don't need to hear from anyone.

FINALLY! Everything's back up and running...

I have a student that made it in too. Good news!

I don't know who this Banyot guy is representing the Star United but I thought the performance was just o.k. ...ish

Sully......photos don't lie - neither did Bunny Hopkins. Rifles were not allowed at the opening ceremonies - which were held outdoors. Obviously rifles were allowed at the closing ceremony which was held indoors. Ironically, that piece written by Michael Boo needed some additional verification.

No one on this forum knows your child, his level of maturity, and his ability to cope with new and challenging situations better than you. I'm afraid you won't find your answer on here! That said, your son won't encounter much in drum corps that he won't encounter in high school. It's just a little more concentrated, and he might face these things alone rather than with a group of close friends (though by the end of the summer he would have another group of close friends). And I don't know some of the posters are harping so much on 21 year-olds. 18 year-olds can be much, much "worse", and your son will be encountering plenty of them in high school . . . and in a lower-tier World Class corps the average age tends to be 18 or less. Take your wife to meet with the corps admins. Volunteer at the next camp. Have her see what corps life is like, and then make a decision (although it would have been better to come to one before you let your kid go to a camp). There's no clear-cut right or wrong answer here.

There is no doubt that Star United is amazing. And I appreciate the comments about the Ghost Riders as well. To be mentioned in the same paragraph with Star United is a real tribute to what we do up here in "parts unknown". Donny

Too bad - I would love to hear Crown do Copland's Symphony #3 with that amazing brass line!

2 of my friends are marching Glassmen this year. Not like you care, but it could be described as "news".

I’m not sure they are rifles, they look a bit like flags. For some reason I remember hearing the story about weapons and thought they learned at Lake Placid only flags would be allowed. Of course for me, they’d just be urban legends since I watched from the comfort of home. Some of the former members of 27th who have a great recollection of all things 27th will have to say whether rifles were at Lake Placid or left in the storage truck.

Can I at least be displeased with the copyright owners who denied the rights with regard to an essentially non-profit activity? Corporations sponsor and donate money to such activities all the time. Could they not have donated the rights or made them affordable for such a limited use?

Yes and no...Sure it's promotion, but it's more. Using transmedia (a combination of print, video, and other multi-media technologies) is another way of engaging with the audience, and extending the experience. Drum Corps is no longer about just 11 minutes on a field in the summer...It's 24x7, all year long. Drum Corps is a lot more than just about the competitions...Any media experience that brings fans and other marchers closer to that experience, and sharing it from different points of view, only increases drum corps' reach as an entertainment media. In short, it ain't all just advertising...

Say, pahdner...you new to these parts?

Cadets have really done some amazing video work over the past couple of years ... Really raising the bar for corps transmedia experiences.

the Cadets are far and away the best in DCI at this... they are not only videos, but they are high quality as well. edit: imagine if every corps put out this much content? it would be awesome. I have no idea how much this operation costs them.

Cadets have always been generous with their media offerings since they started up with All Access. The past year or so, however, they've really seemed to ramp it up in terms of quantity and quality. Adam Adorno and Alex Giddings did their All Access this past year (including that awesome "In Motion" video) and I can only hope that they were able to retain them again for this year. Their work was outstanding.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. The corps' public relations people do a magnificent job of keeping fans intrigued and informed. They are quite generous with bringing us into the operation and making us feel welcomed once we're there. They know what we want and they have no problem with giving it to us. To those who would say it's just "hype," I have to ask, "Isn't all PR hype to some extent? And even so, what's wrong with that?" The Cadets' PR staff gives us one more reason to be thankful we've got computers.

I guess you aren't a fan of DVD extras in movies? I guess your lucky that you can get your drumcorps fix from just seeing 11.5 minutes of a corps performance. I'm all about the behinds the scenes, extra footage, encore tunes, lot vids, drum corps all year long! If that content is just "hype" for you then I think you don't know what hype actually is. What were getting is extra content that doesn't even need to be created and it was created for the enjoyment of fans.

... and the Ballentine Brewers ... :-)

Look at his screen name. It would be like someone posting on a Christian board and using "Jesus - Savior of the World" as their screen name. Troll

Blue Devils 1976 show Channel One Suite, Legend of the One-Eyed Sailor,Chase the Clouds Away Santa Clara Vanguard - 1989 Phantom of The Opera Garfield Cadets - 1983 show Madison Scouts 1988 - Concerto for guitar and Jazz orchestra and Malaguena

Lots of exciting things happening at Bucs camp this weekend!!!! Come and be part of an amazing journey with one of the greatest of all drum corps!!!Of course that is just my opinion...

Taking kids into the corps without auditions, regardless of their ability to play a G-BUGLE or percussion, or whether or not they could read music. We all joined in and helped them to rise above inexperience, and somehow found spots for them to fit in if they stuck wth it. Practicing year-round WAS our "social calendar." Not being able to understand that some people didn't "get" why being in a drum corps was different than being in a "marching band." (Half-time PA announcer: "The band will now form a choo-choo train on the field!") Having drum corps "rival-friends" all over the country.

What do you expect? Most of the spectators had just watched 20 IW (and 20 SW) guards before that. There isn't really anywhere right by UD Arena to eat, and the IW semis got finished A) at or near rush hour on a torn-up I-75, and B) at the time when restaurants would start seeing the dinner rush. After watching as many as 40 guards wrapping up at what would be a reasonable early dinner hour, with rush hour traffic to get somewhere decent to eat, is it any surprise the stands would be mostly empty for most of IA finals? People may be ok with arena concessions during the event, but most want to get at least one good meal during the day, and unfortunately for IA, they are always going to be the class that gets caught in that situation. If finals were ever in Indy it would be somewhat different since there are so many places to eat within a 10 minute walk of either Lucas Oil or Conseco Fieldhouse (I know, there's not much point in moving finals 100 miles away from where it currently is.... but one can always dream).

Love your choices of corps you miss.

The fact that it was accoustic. Lots of corps everywhere - several in even the medium sized cities. Hometown corps full of kids that actually lived there. Affordable drum corps - for the members and the fans. Going to shows and seeing corps you never heard of before. Shows in easy driving distance - every weekend.

That would be Music City Legend. Saw them both times (in prelims & Alumni Spectacular). The Alumni crowd loved them. I met a bunch of them in the staging area. What a Great group of people.

Please refer to posts #6 #7 and ah... #8 Not to mention shows like the Dream, the World and U.S. Open where the fans were rabid and the stands were full!

Marched early 60's. Avid fan up thru late 80's. 1. Grass-roots/neighborhood corps. 2. Loud horn lines using anything that would generate the sound of the old G lines. 3. Great rudimental snare lines using low-tension heads. 4. Horizontally oriented, symmetrical drills (lines and arcs, as apposed to boxes.) 5. Musical arranging done by folks who have not been indoctrinated by the music education establishment. This goes for players too. 6. You play it, you carry it.

I'm heartbroken. Jon and I were in the same section all three years he marched SCV (2nd bari in 85 and 86, lead in 87). I can't say we were blood brothers or anything, as he was part of a tight-knit group of people from Washington. Still, I always respected him for being rock-solid as a marcher and player, for always being level-headed (although he got as fired-up as anybody when it was time to), and for never ever appointing himself hero. A true leader by example. That may seem like faint praise, but I've found that his combination of smarts, skill, and egolessness is all too rare. Fortunately I got to spend some time with him in Pasadena in 2007 as well as virtually through DCP and Facebook. Farewell my friend. The 1986 SCV 2nd baritone line (Jon is 2nd from left)