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The Santa Clara Vanguard 2011. Their entire show from start to finish .

Favorite quiet moment, right before Brandt Crocker announced 2nd place in 2008. I would have felt bad if anyone farted, because it would have echoed in that stadium

This is not the drum corps show you are looking for.

I feel it will come out alphabeticaly. 1-Bushwackers 2-Cadets 2 3-Corpsvets 4-Empire Statesmen 5-Fusion Core 6-Hawthorne 7-Hurricanes 8-Kidsgrove 9-Kilties 10-Minnesota Brass 11-Reading Buccanears 12-Renegades 13-Tampa Bay Thunder Of course the hard part was deciding between the town name and there corps name. Hawthorne was easy but got screwewd out of 4 spots. Hurricanes could have been Connecticut but most people call them Hurcs. It's just easier. Nobody called Bush, "Harrison", so they will not call them Princeton (unless they want). Cadet 2 will never be known as Holy Name and/or Garfield. Just like Bush noone calls CV, Empire, Fusion Core ( I really don't know where they are from anyway ),Kilties and Renegades by there town name. I assume Kidsgrove is the town name so they get pushed up 5 spots by not being Scouts. Of course Mn. Brass and Bucs really get screwed by useing State and town name. It's drum corps, it happens. Don't blame me, I did not invent the alphabet. Reading edges Renegades by a vowel. Tampa Bay and Thunder stay steady either way. I heard Argonne is starting a Sr. corps for 2013....hmmmm... Also the Govenaires are changing there name to Agovenaires Larry P Music Director (Agovenaires)

2008 Carolina Crown -Claire de Lune -One Hand One Heart -Somewhere 2009 Carolina Crown -Tenderland (beginning) -Somewhere Over the Rainbow -Somewhere 2010 Carolina Crown -Nimrod Variations There have been many beautiful quiet moments through the history of DC. IMO the above are the most incredible - I have a hard time finding the exact words to describe the control that hornline displays when playing quietly (let alone at a greater volume!). I guess Linda Richman (Mike Myers) would describe it best......"It's like Buttah!"

Agree. Since when is a poster a show announcement? At the very least they could have posted an incomprehensible paragraph of text describing the ground-breaking innovations of their show concept!

Why should guards be any different, Liz? There are many corps out there that don't have a complete program 'til August. I've been ranting about this for years, but it hasn't changed (and probably never will). Obviously, the dollars that audiences (remember them?)spend in June or July aren't worth as much as those spent in August. Just my personal gripe...

I guess I'm just an elitist snob these days then (and have been for years apparently). I DESPISE guards not having any work for 1/2 or 3/4ths of the first show or the first few weeks. I've made no bones about it here too for quite a while. I don't give a #### if it is clean yet but don't walk around through the drill with no equipment in your hands, or worse yet, go sit down on the sideline, for a good portion of the show. I don't care if you do 100 straight counts of drop spins, but visually SOMETHING is better than NOTHING (IMO). (And yes, I know most DCA guards have a month or so to learn the entire show once winterguard ends. Yet somehow the drumlines are getting together practicing with the corps in the winter and they have winter percussion......this one confuses me and bothers me greatly, to the point I worry that soon there won't be guards with complete guard books out there until August.)

Thanks for starting this thread, I love reading the predictions. My prediction is that the competition between corps is going to be fierce!!! You never know what a new year will bring. Good Luck to everyone

2010 Phantom Regiment starting and ending their show in the tunnels.....

Why didn't camera crews from the 70's to present ever focus on drumlines during drum solo's?

I posted this back in Sep after 2011 Finals--for reference only, not implying anything scientific, your measurements/perceptions may vary, etc. ATL Thread Indy Prelim Thread ====================================================================================== [i thought this might be better in its own thread since it's really about the Indy Preliminaries measurements.] I really didn't have great seats for Prelims this year -- Section 139 Row 23 Seat 10 which is the next to last row in the back of the lower section on about the right 40 yd line -- so I was considering not posting the Prelim measurements, but why not? Overall, it looks like the Prelims were a few dB below Atlanta mainly because I was a bit further back. Below, the first number is from Atlanta, the 2nd number is the Indy Prelim measurement (loudest value). We'll try again next year. I promise I'll upgrade my meter so I won't have to switch ranges, so I won't miss anything. Oregon Crusaders: N/A 104 Blue Devils B: N/A 107 Pioneer: 106 101 Jersey Surf: 112 112 Teal Sound: 109 105 Mandarins: 109 104 Cascades: 110 106 Crossmen: 112 107 (Prelims: Warmup facing backfield 92 dB) Pacific Crest: 108 104 Colts: 111 110 The Academy: 110 105 Glassmen: 113 111 Troopers: 110 107 Blue Knights: 108 102 Blue Stars: 108 105 Spirit of Atlanta: 113 108 Santa Clara Vanguard: 111 106 Boston Crusaders: 107 104 Madison Scouts: 119 115 Bluecoats: 111 107 Phantom Regiment: 114 111 Carolina Crown: 120+ 115 The Cavaliers: 113 113 The Cadets: 110 104 Blue Devils: 109 110

THE 1980 Spirit of Atlanta!!!! Oh, Sorry, Different thread... Crown Rattled my back teeth!

better question, when *isn't* a Cavaliers show interesting

Warning.... Warning... Never get into a disagreement with someone that has a particular corps as their avatar. Otherwise if don't predict their corps moving from 10th to top six you will never hear the end of it.

No matter how many times you tell this joke it never gets less funny! Tell us the one about the Troopers next!

but yet a corps like Bucs that comes in with at least the skeleton of the show done, and few if any holes in work, gets accused of having the judges give it to them via reputation.

ya know, go look at the recaps. it seems to me percussion held them back far more than any conspiracy. I know, I know, why use facts to ruin a perfectly good rant

Fixed it!

No, they couldn't. Michael Gray is more of talker than a writer.

Informed by this discussion, Im prepared to suggest a list of guidelines for all corps to follow in matters such as these. They are: Members joining the corps after the March/February/January/December camp may not be soloists. This is an abomination. Corps concerned that current members might not be sufficiently prepared or talented to handle their programming requirements are mistaken or misguided. Having made the corps is prima facie qualification for all things properly drum corps. Thinking otherwise is an abomination. Transparency has no place in drum corps. It is an abomination to think honest disclosure of your intentions and motives is a good thing. It is not. Money in drum corps is an abomination. Now that we know, I propose we enact these and codify them as The World-Wide Bill of Inalienable Rights for the Noble Performers in Brass, Percussion, Saber, Rifle and Flag as Part of Drum & Bugle Corps. Of course, as this name is cumbersome, these rights will be known by the more convenient moniker: Criticizing Cadets Clauses. Mark time march? HH

BAC 2011- Charlie's "Bring Him Home."

SCV '00 - Tag ending of Stained Glass. Stunning. I'd like to add the transition from Adagio to Stained Glass to the list, but we all know what happened there. Generally any soft ending from Vanguard counts among my favorite "quiet" moments.

1994 Phantom Regiment - Claire de Lune ending

The middle of Crown '09s ballad at the -- just celeste playing. Quietest I've ever heard a crowd at a drum corps show. Virtually complete silence at that moment -- so cool.

Okay Jeff, you asked for it. First "official" Annapolis whine.... "There ain't no Dinosaur BBQ here!"

I was up top on the 50 and from where I was at, Crown sounded mf whereas BD, Phantom, Bloo, OC, BK, and even Bones sounded monstrous. Hell, even PC and Academy got up there too at some points! If I can feel the sound on my face, it's mother fletching loud! Sorry, but I think your decibel meters are broken fellas.

Yeaaaaah a show title without music selections...not exactly what the drum corps community wants. Especially when it isn't very different from the teaser poster.

Oregon surprised me with their first hit....think they had bout 56 horns? Got everything out of them... The strongest section sound was Cadets mellos during the long whole note in the first big hit....INSANE....

This, all of this I consider myself to be a Crown, Coats, Cadets, Stars fan haha :P

modeling your HS program after BD isn't necessarily a bad idea... just sayin. #halfjoking

*ducks and covers* Hell...for that matter, why did Garfield win in 84 instead of BD (note that even members of GARFIELD though they'd lost that night)

Hang on a minute...I need to count something... 1 2 3 4 FOUR posts here from people debating where the "BOA Capitol of America is" and not ONE person even MENTIONED TEXAS? I know...off topic, but I couldn't help but comment on what just made me scratch my head so hard it is now bleeding.

Why didn't Crossmen place higher last year?

Because other corps scored higher than them?

Second Facebook post: ‎2012 Musical Resources will include: Don Giovanni by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Vesti la Giubba by Ruggero Leoncavallo

1995 Bluecoats - handing of the Flag to the War Widow. It was so quiet in the stadium you could her the girl crying from the field.

Does it really qualify as a quiet moment when the crowd's so loud you can't hear the soloist?? He could've totally faked it finals night an no one would've been the wiser. *Would suck to be him if that was his ONLY solo in drum corps....no proof!!* Now if you're talking at smaller shows, then yes, I'll agree....I heard him at Drums Along the Mohawk. If I remember, he was restating part of the opening theme (the part right before the first loud hit in the show)

I had to laugh...Good One. Ok.... Some of my favs: 1988-89 SCV - After the Drum Feature, before the Company Front - "All I Ask Of You" with that fantastic Bass Drum run 1989 Cadets - End of the Ballad, right before the hit into "Attack on Rue Plumet" 1993 - Star of Indiana: In between Medea and the Music for Strings... 1996 - Phantom Regiment - Middle of "Fifth Symphony, Fourth Movement" with the Mello Solo, - side note: PR has a history a good Mello Solos, 91,96,08. All for now, back to work

Still attacking my credibility, witnessed by hundreds, while not providing your data from the recording/editors that you talked about before you mysteriously edited them away? Also, getting different numbers from different venues, different spots in the facilities, different equipment, and different times of the season hardly discredits my data. That's called variation. And yes, Cadets and Madison DO force their sounds. You take it in the butt hurt way, but you shouldn't. Like I said, and have said all along, these corps have a proprietary sound. Thats GOOD not bad. I LIKE that they don't sound like everyone else. I also said that they sound louder to me personally. The Cadets sound different, broad, forced. Their instrumentation isn't vastly different than anyone elses, that's just the way they sound. If you can't hear that, then I wonder what you hear when you listen to hornlines. That's the Cadets sound. As long as they do it consistently from player to player, I don't see an issue. I do give the Cadets a hard time, but they are my favorite corps outside of my alma maters. I support Cadets members, support the Cadets monetarily, and enjoy listening to the Cadets. I also see no issues with the way they educate their members, or how they produce their sounds---I just think the recent trend for many corps is to make a more concert characteristic sound. The Cadets, on the other hand (Madison, too), are holding on to their traditional sounds more than the other groups are. Crown and Cavaliers in the last 10 years have changed, vastly, how we listen and appreciate hornlines. There are merits to both formulas. Don't confuse my trolling, flaming, allegiance stomping, dark humor, and general delinquency to mean that I'm just making crap up. There is a vast difference. DCP is my outlet for fun, but in real life I'm normal, educated, and not a troll/flamer/etc.

To be honest, I stopped going to Dayton the last couple years because I realized so many shows were boring me to tears. But even limited to the Fan network, it appears this year was a definite improvement. Not as many dull violin/piano soundtracks, and fewer of the psychological shows that designers have seemed so fond of lately. It's like they're trying to impress others with their cleverness or 'deep thoughts' to the point where they seem to have forgotten there's an audience out there. No objection to thoughtful 'serious' shows, just the ones that are so obscure and out of touch that people have to pretend they really get it. I've started categorizing those shows as 'I'll forget them in a week', because that's what happens, no matter how high the talent of the performers. One other note--what is it with designers picking such obvious songs? I mean, I'd be running to the one I figured no one else would be using. I like Adele, but really...? No slam to any of the shows themselves, most of them I really liked (particularly Somerville's elegant and beautiful show; saw it at regionals). But I remember in past years the collective groan in the arena as yet another 'Wild Horses' began…..or 'Send in the Clowns' …ya know what I mean. I agree with all on the Lawrence Central props, well used & not overdone. When I think back to the elaborate backdrops and sets of years past, I'm glad that trend is over. I think the key to Aimachi is to watch it more than once….obviously easier on the Fan Network…to spend a viewing trying to ignore the batons. They do amazing tricks, but it can be a bit distracting. Loved Flanagan, Logan, Northview, SCV, Pride, both "Oz" shows, different and amazing, Blackwatch, Lexis, Field of View, Brigs, Patriots, Shen (another good use of props), S. Brunswick, Opus 10, Trumbull…too many good ones to mention, and it wasn't that way for me the last few seasons. Thanks to those who tried to bring some joy back into guard. I might actually consider going back in person if this keeps up. Speaking of Trumbull…I want to thank WGI for all the historic presentations and for the replay feature—I wish I'd known beforehand, I found the one between Sat finals quite by accident while watching a replay. I hope the kids enjoyed/appreciated them--I am old enough to have seen many of them in person. BTW, I'm also old enough to remember when 'pre-shows' were called 'walk-ons' and many guards used them back in the day.

83-84 Barbara Maroney solos 84 SCV, end of show 84 Suncoast, Requiem 92 Glassmen....backfield at the end of Madre de la Terra (oh GOD, that was sweet)

Other than the Crown selections mentioned above (yes, I'm a homer), words escape me to describe the "Bring Him Home" bari solo from 2011 Boston Crusaders.

'96 Star you say?

Because the other two corps were better.

Why do you want to change mouthpieces?

music??

Why didn't SW make finals in 2000? Top 12 in every caption.

1. Electronics balance, show just kind of stayed at onelevel 2. After the Creep, the show went nowhere