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They are new to this and you should be happy they are there learning about it and supporting Drum Corp educate them let them know this is so much better then the movie I use to drive my son crazy asking questions now I am a fan

Thanks for sharing. They probably looked up at the stands and wondered where you were going.

Says the man posting on DCP on a Saturday evening (presumably alone). I appreciate the posters who post any updates and pictures they can! :)

To quote the guy somewhere way up behind me in the stands before great gate..."Aww hell yeah!" Great job, Madison!

This is DCP We are Serious

I don't know...I only complain about spelling inconsistencies, like "Blue Coats" and "inconstancies." I've been wanting to get slotted for a few years, but it will be much cheaper if I wait until I'm on Medicare. And besides, this is DCP; it's what we do.

Hey all, Thanks for the complements on my tweets (I am @loudbrass). My wife was tweeting as @michelle_ad. I apologize for the all-thumbs typing and auto-correct nonsense. Hard to type on an iPhone while watching the corps. I'll type up a full review of both nights, but in the meantime... By far, no-bull, hands down the best Allentown crowd I've ever seen, both nights. Unlike recent years, they gave it up for everyone from Pioneer on up to Blue Devils. No one got ignored. And a short rant: And as for "audience engagement", if it was TRULY being judged correctly, Jersey Surf would have been scored in the top 5 in effect music and effect visual. Sure, they were 19th in all three performance captions and both ensembles, but they were absolutely, without a doubt SCREWED by the effect judges. It's clear to me now that the new sheets are worthless if it's the same old judges doing what they do. Surf owned the crowd tonight, above all other corps, which again wasn't easy with performances by Madison, SCV and Cadets. I am now officially on the bandwagon in favor of a MAJOR overhaul of the judging system.

This cavies show is ridiculous still. Sorry cavie nation

150 Blue Star members will all be pointing at the toilet paper stuck to his shoe when he comes back.

The applause and acceptance of BD this year is stronger than it has been in a long time. DCP does not equal the world outside....Ive actually seen more people writing positive things here the past week, once they saw BD, than I have seen negative things. G

combining scores - both Allentown shows place....corps .........score...day 1......Blue Devils......95.10...F 2......Carolina Crown...93.95...F 3......Cadets...........92.65...S 4......Phantom......... 92.25...F 5......SCV............. 91.50...S 6......Bluecoats........90.30...F 7......Cavies...........87.75...S 8......Boston...........87.30...S 9......Madison..........87.05...S 10.....Spirit...........84.20...F 11.....BK...............83.95...S 12.....Blue Stars.......83.20...S 13.....Crossmen.........82.30...S 14.....Glassmen.........80.40...S 15.....Pacific Crest....76.65...F 16.....Troopers.........76.05...F 17.....Colts............75.30...F 18.....Academy..........74.90...S 19.....Jersey Surf......74.15...S 20.....Mandarins........69.95...F 21.....Cascades.........68.60...S 22.....Pioneer..........65.45...F

Yes, very true. One way to know when my daughter tosses is when I suck in air and hold my breathe until she catches--also drawing blood from my husband's arm. I'm married to a wonderful man!

Little did the MS drum major know when he turned around at the end of the show that the crowd had been giving him a standing ovation for the last 2 minutes! Allentown really let the Scouts know how they felt!

If you have a problem with it get out of here because everyone else likes it. Get a life? you are doing the same thing we all are. Sitting here on DCP.

Bridgemen Alumni welcome Jersey Surf to historic Allentown.

For the season to have as much excitement and things to discuss as this season does!

If they beat Devils in drums last night and STILL lost by 1.0+, the answer is 'nope'.

Yes we did. It was opening day for the Cubs in 1970, the year after their infamous season end collapse at the hands of the Mets in 1969. We set up against the ivy covered walls in left field for the "starting line" pre game. We marched our show up until concert and then did a standstill for the rest of the music. Early April and we had all the music learned and most of the drill. The old days . . . It was my first performance with the corps (I was a rookie, marching tymp). Pretty nervous. As we're walking to the left field "starting line," I hear someone yell "Kilties rule! Cavies suck!" Then people starting throwing stuff trying to bounce it off our tymps. I had an Oreo cookie hit my drum. When we got to the concert formation to finish the rest of the show, I wound up standing exactly on the pitcher's mound rubber. Hilarious. Good memories. I've still got the newspaper photos and the letter from Don Warren, our corps director, asking our school principals to let us out of school that day. I never bothered to ask my principal or my parents. Just had my Cavalier buddy pick me up at my bus stop that day and off to Wrigley Field we went!

It's not. There's only a few times where there's scatter drill. Most of the drill is easily readable and moves very well, especially as an ensemble.

After reading some of the comments here on DCP, I totally expected to hate the show, but the opposite happened... I friggin' LOVED it! When I finally saw it earlier this week I had a huge smile on my face the entire time. I thought the entire show, top to bottom, was absolutely BRILLIANT and performed at an extraordinarily high level. The 2012 Blue Devils are off the charts amazing. Thank you blue team!

S.C.V. Has one of my favorite shows this year.

Vanguard just might make me cry tonight. So beautiful

Would love to see SCV make a big jump tonight!

Let me get this straight: * DCIFN can't get the Atlanta VOD up because of some technical error. * likely because of this, DCIFN has left up the 'DVR' of all three cams of the Atlanta performance. * you don't like that available option that allows you to see any performance from Atlanta, from either the High Cam, Multi-Cam, or HD Multi-Cam, because it's not as convenient/easy for you Just because one has the technical capability to complain on an internet forum doesn't mean it's the best course of action....

BONES!

For me to be marching my rookie year. That's not really a wish, but more of a promise.

That DCI and it's adjudication system is self serving, assinine, and a huge joke. There is absolutely no way this activity can be judged fairly and I personally think we should do away with the competition aspect of the activity once and for all. Would you still attend a show if there were no scores?

Here's BFDTV's much better video from last nights performance by BAC at Fenway:

Well ow that Crown has beat BD in percussion the door is open. I wish them good luck. They have a wonderful show and it would be great if they win. If they don't then I'm sure they will be on fire next year!

I think the corps is in danger...of finishing ahead of a number of corps that had expected to knock them off at the end of the season. Any finish within the top-8 is higher than earlier speculation among many. The season doesn't seem that long, but it's long enough for lots of things to happen along the way. No matter what one thinks of the show, credit needs to be given to the members for not giving up on themselves.

The majority sure. But I know plenty of people that couldn't stand Cadet's show last year, and didn't think it should have won. As for BD 2010, I would say the majority of people I know agreed with BD's placement, whether they liked the show or not. I loved that show. That being said, the whole "entertainment" argument is bogus, as what entertains one person doesn't entertain another. The diversity of drum corps is what is working for the activity, and an effort to change that would be counterproductive. However, if a corps that goes out on a limb and does it better than another corps who goes the entertainment route, and they are never rewarded for it, then you will absolutely see the demise of that diversity. There is no question to an unbiased observer that BD is the better corps on the field this year. They are executing better than anyone, and what they are asking their performers to do is far more ambitious than anything else on the field that isn't the Crown Brass book. If DCI refuses to reward that, then they have lost all credibility. Entertainment is the kind of criteria used by ridiculous shows like "American Idol". Do we really want our activity to go that route?

This is ridiculous. So because BD is performing their show much better than Crown is at this point, and "customers" don't agree with it, then the activity should be punished?? This is a competition. Crown has a great show, but until they can perform EVERY ASPECT of their show much better than the current first place corps, this is the position they will get. Why should BD be punished because they're outperforming another corps. Judges may not always be right, but they are the ones responsible for judging the corps and obviously they see things fans do not.

THANK YOU! This is exactly how I feel. I think it's really ridiculous how seriously some people take this activity and the various "artistic" programs. It's just people marching and playing/spinning on a football field. We all love it still, but it gets taken WAY too seriously by some.

Like the opening brass statement when each member is moving differently. How do you judge technique in that portion of the show when each person is doing something different?

There can never be a score related to fans. If that were to happen some people wouldnt even applaud for shows and would go ape #### for others (saw it live with people sitting behind me at a show). Some corps have a bigger fan base than others (Crown vs Pioneer). Geographical location would also change results on fans (home show corps get more love). You have people that will never like something a corps does and you have people that dont want certain groups to win. I think the judgin system is fine as long as some judges dont give a group a 18 one night and a 16.5 the next night and flip flop other corps (look at percussion scores this season).

Again - did I say Lady Gaga? Do I look 16 to you? Please don't assume you know what I'm thinking because, well, you clearly don't. Fact is I grew up in England with the BBC playing classical music almost exclusively, so I got a taste for "high art" in music at a fairly early age. But that doesn't mean I think it should be injected into everything just to make us feel superior or educated. SCV know how to balance audience and artistic better than anyone. They've been doing it since the days of Die Gotterdamerung and are still doing it this year. That's why regardless of placement, they are consistently the class of the field.

I guess it's this idea of drum corps being "high art" that started us on the road to taking ourselves way too seriously. High art doesn't appeal to the masses. Neither, unfortunately, does drum corps. So you have a niche activity trying to narrow its appeal to an even smaller niche audience? From a standpoint of fan support, that's a recepie for disaster.

Ohhhh, boy, here we go . . . There's a difference between "not being able to be judged fairly" and "my corps isn't winning." If there were "no way the activity could be judged fairly," then why start complaining now? What makes this year different? Oh, that's right . . . Ugh.

BD- easy

Not buying Cavies 2nd in brass.

Myron Rosander's drill. It's insanely hard for every corps he writes with, it's just his style. SCV had problems with cleaning it many years, and not to sound like a jerk, but they usually had a little bit higher of a talent and staff pool teaching it. Phantom had issues with his drill in 2010, as did Madison in 2006. Myron always writes really tough stuff that takes all the way to August to clean, and sometimes isn't even clean then. It's what is holding them back, even though they're performing admirably.

Did you tell them Rach Star was a one time thing? =p jk. I really hate when people ask me if DCI is like that movie. I respond with a forced smile on my face "you're lucky murder is illegal or else I'd kill you" haha

You mean the Organ Symphony?

Whatever they want, as long as they're at least as entertaining as this year.

I like all the above (except maybe the dome show thing) and would like to add.. SCV gets a special dispensation to march one 58 year old snare. In an unprecidented act of synchronicity, my drumming skills simultaneously expand 5,000% AND my job gives me the whole summer off.... yeah - that could happen.....

Less complaining about EVERYTHING here on DCP. SCV back in the Top 3 Crossmen back in Finals Troopers and Colts get competitive again Academy makes Finals Less pointless body movement More insight into the judging criteria, and why the judges give the scores they do. More cymbal lines. Such a cool effect, that is so neglected. No corps folding. That's the big one. That I have enough money to donate to multiple struggling corps, and sponsor a couple of new marching members.

Terrible way to end a show. That's one move I wish corps would just get rid of. It's such a cop-out

My heart (obviously) is at BD and I'm going to root for them til the end. But I would never, ever underestimate Carolina Crown and what they are capable of and I don't think BD will, either. I say bring it on, both of them, and if these two are meant to battle it out, so be it. After all, this level of competition and drive is what the kids pay for, and what the staff is paid to do, right? Two very different shows, from opposing coasts, fighting this out. This will, undoubtedly, make everyone involved better people no matter what happens. I love it!!

Dada is ALIVE! ;) You gotta ditch those cheap computer speakers.