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  1. 6 points
    Competitive marching bands ARE a replacement for drum corps. You will find marching bands in places with local drum corps and without. Drum Corps started out with "giving kids something to do" except now there is literally a million things kids can do. Drum Corps is marching band and if you value kids doing something, working hard, competing in circuits, marching in parades then you should be very happy that highschool marching band has replaced small regional drum corps! If you aren't than maybe you need to reevaluate the reasons you think drum corps is "better" than highschool marching band. More kids are involved in the marching arts than ever before that's a fact for sure why does it matter if the unit is called a marching band or drum corps?! Makes no difference.
  2. 4 points
    So when Jamey Thompson is at Phantom, he is pretty amazing. When he leaves Phantom after one subpar by his standards but not awful year..........not so special? Hmm. Interesting. Whoever picks him up, they're lucky. He's a fantastic designer.
  3. 3 points
    I see what you're saying; that we don't know whether DCI does in fact violate IRS rules. But nobody has said they do. That's a different question from whether Blair's argument is invalid. We have plenty of evidence that it is. Consider the argument: I am a fish. Cheese is a gas. Ringo was a great drummer. --- Therefore: Grass is green. Even if the conclusion is true, the argument is still invalid. Even if DCI violates IRS rules, Blair is still a loon because his argument is loony.
  4. 3 points
    If we're going to go after spelling, can we go after grammar (particularly the underuse of possessive apostrophes) as well? Sorry, couldn't resist because the door was left so wide open. :) I'm now going back to staring at rocks.
  5. 3 points
    And yet...through all of this sniping and complaining....BD's staff stays stable and highly successful. A lesson COULD be learned here....but I ain't holding my breath.
  6. 3 points
    I think you're missing my points. Outside of DCP, my work involves education, families and youth activities in a religious setting, so I probably evaluate drum corps a bit differently. If you look at where most drum corps could be found until the 1970's, a very high percentage were from urban settings in industrial states. Many were formed to provide a healthy outlet for kids' energy and give them an opportunity to do something constructive. This was something good and positive. Today most of these areas do not have competitive marching bands. It is a more suburban activity, not necessarily affluent, but definitely suburban and in some cases rural, and in the states where marching bands rule, there were very few, if any drum corps. Speak with anyone who knows the history of drum corps and they'll probably agree with at least some if what I say and they'll agree that Florida, Texas, and Oklahoma where many excellent bands hail from were never drum corps havens and none of the best bands today hail from Revere, MA, Brooklyn, NY, or Bayonne, NJ. Also if you take away the parents and educators who value music education out of the matching band equation, your forgetting the real movers and shakers of the school band programs. Speak with the BOA and YEA folks next summer in Indy and they'll agree with me. Yes many of the big names have drum corps backgrounds, but not the majority in all fifty states and since a good number have probably not seen a drum corps perform, they certainly don't see their efforts as merely replacing. My purpose was to recognize the merits of both activities. Seeing marching bands as a "replacement" diminishes what they are accomplishing and diminishes what drum corps has contributed. Also replace in my opinion means putting something in place of something that previously existed, and in my collection of old photos I have a marching band dating back to 1908, long before Cadets, BAC, Madison, or Racine Scouts. Marching bands did exist before drum corps so they are not replacing anything, instead they are being given recognition.
  7. 2 points
    We know plenty that validates dismissal of Mr. Blair's complaints, Brasso. The point is to not make more of the complaint than is actually due the complainer.
  8. 2 points
    Even funnier still,, imo are young people getting their jollies going to message boards and facebook to watch old people argue.. Its like a young person going to dunkin donuts, buying a coffee, then sitting down next to the old folks that can spend all day there if they chose, to listen in to what their arguing about. I can save the young time. The women at the donut shoppe are complaining about the old men, and the old men at another table are talking about the pretty young waitress at the counter or arguing as to who has the best luncheon buffett.
  9. 2 points
    Don't open that box, Pandora.
  10. 2 points
    Lincoln, I really think you're missing the larger point: when Phantom Regiment gets great designers (people who propel them up the ranks, higher than what I've argued is their average of 5th place), they end up moving on, typically because they aren't happy. You can say "life goes on." This is no doubt true. The sun came up this morning with Jamey Thompson not being involved with Phantom Regiment. But there's a bigger looming issue: something about the organization (many have said that it's a particular individual) that makes high competent people not want to hang around. This staff may produce a great product next year that I'll enjoy and listen to forever, but this isn't the 2005-2007 staff. Nothing about this group makes me excited like I was back then. Luckily, Regiment doesn't make decisions with me in mind. But they should make decisions with their talented staff in mind. You can say that Thompson left previously and they won a title without him. That is absolutely a true statement. However, I would argue that the corps won in spite of who wrote the drill that year (the same guy who laid a much bigger turd/egg in 2009). For what it's worth, I don't think Jeremy Hunt will be writing 2009esque Phantom Regiment drill - he's been around the block long enough to avoid that.
  11. 2 points
    Not understanding the JT hate. At all. He's a fantastic designer who has created some pretty amazing visual packages. A down year or two does not indicate that he has lost it. I'm sad to see him go. But personally, I want to see a much larger improvement in their musical package than their visual.
  12. 2 points
    Yes, he'll be 15 during the summer, and Jersey Surf is his likely home if he can catch on there. I've met and spoke with Bob Jacobs, and like what I see there. But my son does want to take a shot at making Boston, even though I've been preparing him for the likelihood that he won't make it there for a couple years. If he is fortunate enough to be offered a spot for both, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it!
  13. 2 points
    I just bought a Pepsi. I need a straw. I know not to ask for one here. Others are grasping for them.
  14. 2 points
    I don't see what could be wrong with his theory. Just don't pay any attention to 05-07, 11, or 12. You know, five of the seven years he's written drill for the corps. Yeah, if you don't pay attention to that, he makes perfect sense.
  15. 2 points
    And that's on a good day, when the planets align. Hate to say, but I don't think this addition is going to help the corps. Say what we want about JT, but this is a downgrade IMO.
  16. 2 points
    The Kilties need to follow the Buccaneers model of rebuilding, as has been mentioned before in this thread, or the Fusion Core model. It starts with administration. Until that problem (whatever it is) is solved, they cannot move on to design team or staff, let alone membership. Look at all of the corps that have had competitive success, or that have successfully rebuilt their corps...they all have one thing in common...a solid administration with attainable goals.
  17. 2 points
    Any way to work in Planar Analysis for drill evaluation and this could be an old RAMD style party! ;)
  18. 2 points
    I must be missing something with BDB that others are seeing. I've been listening to and watching the show since the preseason recordings came out on the BD app, and yea they're good, but it's not like they were light years ahead of SCVC. Also, after seeing all corps on Thursday and most live and on Fan Network all season, I am still shocked that they were placed that high on Thursday and Friday, but also shocked that so many agree that they're that good. Don't get me wrong, the kids are talented and the show design was impressive when they're called a B corps, but I wouldn't have had them higher than 18th, and I don't think they would make finals without huge improvements in the near future, if ever.
  19. 1 point
    That gave me a laugh hahaha. But, I am just as curious as Nachfolger is.
  20. 1 point
    Inept administration? I don't think that is hard to figure out with any business. Problems can almost always be traced to the top.
  21. 1 point
    You know what they say; It's all in the dorsal fins.
  22. 1 point
  23. 1 point
    Couldn't agree less about the '70s. Transportation was rough at all but the top couple of corps. DCI mandated that we continue to play on poorly made instruments, e.g. valve rotor DEG and Dynasty (same thing) horns. They allowed pit equipment but you had to carry it around - ludicrous. Kids were often badly fed on tour, again by all but the top corps. Transportation equipment broke down as much as it rolled. The shows were fine, but think about what did it mean when Bayonne came out with that "entertainment" show in 1976 and jumped all the way to 6th. Those kids had all the heart in the world, but they were still in the launch phase of that new genre. Kind of makes one wonder what the entertainment factor was like before that, huh? It does me. You are more than entitled to your memories, and your evaluation of the decade. My younger brother (Brassmen 1972/1973) thinks DCI ended in 1974 (when he stopped) and nothing has been good since. The kids today are better educated, better equipped, better conditioned, and generally better taken care of than the 70s. It's not a coincidence that half the corps existing in 1970 were gone by 1980. You can blame DCI or anyone (or thing) you wish, but it's a fact and it pertains to the 70s. Disclaimer - I never marched DCI - I was in Viet Nam the year that DCI was formed and that's also the year I aged out. But I did tour with the Bridgemen in the late 70s as half of their brass staff (another advantage these kids have - every section has a tech). I will say this: the folks that judged in the 70s were Giants, e.g. Bernie Bags Sr.; Jim Prime Sr.; Sandra Opie; Roger Olsen; man I'm just hitting the tip of the iceberg. The after show meetings were a master class for anyone that listened (not everyone did). But no, I'll continue to disagree with your premise, and by a large margin. It had to start somewhere, and I'm glad it did, but best ever? Not even close, and yes of course, in my opinion.
  24. 1 point
    Let's just say it dates back to before their first championship, and there are multiple reasons.
  25. 1 point
    "Mission creep" in threads (usually referred to "derailment") has in the past been a quick way to see threads get closed down by moderators. I hope that doesn't happen here as the initial premise of this thread is so intriguing and amusing (in sort of a sad way). The question of bands vs. drum corps comes up every year. It's always worthy of discussion, but I hope someone opens up a different thread for it so this one can stay open until its natural expiration.
  26. 1 point
    Yes, exactly. This is not the 2005-07 staff sans Thompson. The 2015 edition of Phantom Regiment without Jamey Thompson is not the 2008 staff. I think Don Hill is a solid high school band arranger, but he isn't doing what JD Shaw did for Regiment. I think Bret Kuhn will eventually rebound from the Gwaltney years, but he wasn't Paul Rennick when he was winning corps titles with the Cavaliers. The current guard designers may be great, but they haven't shown the design ability of Adam Sage from 2005-08 (regardless of what extra baggage was attached). 2015 without Jamey Thompson does NOT equate to 2008 without Jamey Thompson.
  27. 1 point
    Here it is. A D-Day show in tribute to veterans. Includes the Alumni Band and features four Script Ohios. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHnQ1AONgMI
  28. 1 point
    It is VERY unlikely, because he's GONE! Jamey Thompson (JT?) is an incredible designer, and I would say the opposite of you. He was their saving grace to give them a CHANCE at being top 5. Are you sure you are not trying to say it is unlikely they can medal with the new guy? I'm a bit confused by your posts.
  29. 1 point
    Burnout? Really? With all the groups someone like this writes for during the year, burnout comes up? If, by some chance an excuse like this comes up I guess the solution would be... Stop writing for so many groups.
  30. 1 point
    I mean, they were AHEAD OF CROWN in 2011 until you add in the music scores, they probably wouldn't have medaled in 2012 without their visual package, wouldn't have been that close to Bluecoats in 2013, and visual is the only reason they beat BK in 2014.
  31. 1 point
    Didnt you say he was very young? Surf may be a good fit if he is. There may be a broader age range, but you know your child and what he may be ok with.
  32. 1 point
    Yes, at least christian carichner is back, that's something to be happy about. Oh, and Kuhn.
  33. 1 point
    People must give written analysis on individuals they think aren't great? Well flame away at me too, because if you take a look at JT's work, I believe you'd want more for your corps.
  34. 1 point
    JS great organization. They have done a lot of Drum corp in that area the past several years. I think you can also audition on line as well. You also can contact the people in BAC office to work out any concerns and issues you might have. Best of luck in 015.
  35. 1 point
    Oh I didn't mean they were implying that . I agree noone wants the IRS snooping around. Someone who ever cared about the activity wouldnt draw unnecessary attention to the activity struggling to stay alive for decades already. This is why I said earlier this is a bitter person who merely got left behind. Most likely by their own doing. So they would rather see it all go away rather than think they merely didn't fit in anymore. Seems to be a theme with some. Sad .
  36. 1 point
    I'll add...JT left once before. When he came back, the first thing I thought was "This won't be for very long." IMO, of all the years he did drill for PR, this year was the one that didn't seem quite up to his usual standard. As I stated elsewhere, there were really nice moments, but some others were not expected.
  37. 1 point
    John, I am not really talking about me as just an instructor, I suppose. Instruction should come from chosen local technicians IMO. But having an instructional and conceptual program that is designed to make a DCA corps competitive is more what I was thinking. Because of my affiliations in Wisconsin at Pioneer, I became to know many very good teachers that could immediately affect the quality of musicianship and marching. But alas, with Pioneer, they could only do what was allowed because of administrative policy, attendance, membership numbers and time constraints. Had Pio competed in DCA during those they would have been a top 5 corps I believe. I say that with experience, because I would go and work with top five corps after tour was done for a direct comparison. I like my role at the White Sabers, so it doesn't matter I guess. At White Sabers, I am in the loop through picking a show idea, which I have considerable weight in, musical design, where nothing really gets handed out without approval or at least suggestions to approach, consultation in visual coordination with musical ideas, etc...I don't actually write the book, but I have a lot to do with what the book is, and how it is constructed with DCA effects programmed at the right times. Also, I do not have to be there for the corps to be successful because every teacher there are students of mine or previous colleagues at some other corps. When I go to a practice, they ask me to run ensemble rehearsals from the box, and take nearly all suggestions I make, not just for the brass line. There is total respect from the staff because of the experience I can offer them as far as being a winner at all levels of DCA. I am not the program coordinator nor a designer, but a design and instructional consultant to a corps with a great bunch of teachers and members. So, you are right, my instruction alone cannot make the Kilties a finalist in consecutive years. I just get mad every year when I see them at prelims, knowing that they wont make finals again with what they are doing. DA
  38. 1 point
    And who would've guessed you'd complain about someone else's rightful opinion? Talk about pot calling the kettle black. How about you ignore what I say and give your mouth a rest? You add nothing to discussion other than "don't say anything bad about the corps" or something else off argument. Coward? Not in the least. Be careful of your ad hominem attacks. It shows your intellectual level. Saying who I am has nothing to do with the validity of my statements whether accurate or not...but that doesn't seem to matter. His work isn't the quality of whom he's replacing. This design staff is shaping up to be 8-12 material.
  39. 1 point
    With all due respect to Donny, one instructor isn't going to change the climate at Kilties. They absolutely must start at the top, with the administration. They need to decide what they want to be. Until they do that, everything else is window dressing.
  40. 1 point
  41. 1 point
    There are a lot of things to sift through. I've been thinking about all of it, and one of the reasons why was because I wanted to offer some sincere thoughts on the matter. Some of the answers/solutions aren't as quite as black and white as they seem to be when I read through this. I'll try and come up with some comments that I hope can be helpful. I'm also posting as someone with a grad degree in Education, someone who still remembers being a kid, and what I was thinking, and someone who listens more carefully than some folks think to a lot of the younger crew who are on the field. I read where some folks seem to want the punch in the face or the musicality. Ray Eyler, Frank Dorittie, and Dave Rohrer taught me to do both exceptionally well. Subtlety and explosiveness have been part of the activity for decades. You can't compartmentalize them. Ever. What do kids want? That's tricky. When Bill put up the link to the tasting festival (by the way, I usually have a few varieties of craft beer in my fridge- I'm a beer snob- Victory Hop Devil is nice to have a bottle of after a rough night shift), it wasn't a distraction. People were asking pointedly what the brand/corps is about, and I think he subtly put up the answer, and it's not beer, which some folks jumped on too quickly. I quote from the site: "Our core values are character, honor, excellence, and tradition". Here's the rub. To a 51 year old me, I get this. The 16 year old me would have thought they understood this, but, not really. I'll try and illustrate the point here from personal experience. I remember sitting at lunch at District Band with Steve Rook, who recruited me into Westshore in 1979. I flat-out told him, the corps wasn't that good. I came from a decent competitive HS band, I wanted something very challenging for myself to tackle and experience. I wasn't thinking or giving one hoot about character, honor, tradition. I'm 16. Kids don't know enough about life to really have a good handle on that stuff. Steve told me: "I know the corps' not been that good, but we're getting better. We have a plan in place, a good plan where we'll get better. Part of the plan is that we need good musicians like you on board. Check out practice, see what you think." I stayed for 6 years. Steve was right. A plan was in place, and I was in a top end DCA corps for 5 of those 6 years. After I got on board and started to experience success with the corps, experience good and bad education- mostly great education, and got better as a musician and performer- then I started to learn about character, honor, tradition as I grew up the hard way. Kids who seriously want to be in this activity want to find out how great they can be. They want to be challenged and get experiences they wouldn't get in their HS programs. They want to be with an organization where everyone wants to be there and be excellent, not because their Mommy and Daddy make them, or because their BFF, BF, and GF's are there. You want to recruit the kids? You appeal to those things first. You also deliver to them an educational experience where they're learning more than they were in HS, growing musically, and personally. If you get a kid thinking "... man, my HS band's better than this!..." you won't keep them. They consider it a waste of their time when they could be chasing their romantic interests. You also need to be competitive. I don't mean come in first place. I mean that the membership needs to know they have a legitimate fighting chance against somebody if they rehearse hard and perform as well as they can. You want young people on board, you have to have some plan that offers a feeling of competitiveness- whether that means just making finals, just beating someone, anybody at all. I read the comments about CV. I'd think the situation wasn't as cut and dried nor as draconian as I felt it was spelled out. From personal experience, we had a couple of experienced vets who were excised from the corps due to their substance issues. Certain individuals just got mentally tired after years of doing it or had work commitments. I know we didn't tell people to up their game or hit the road. People got married, moved, went to college, got a new job, frustrated with the lack of success in the corps, whatever. The same happens in Atlanta, I'm sure. The top DCA corps have "old folks" in them still. That's not as cut and dried as it was made out to be. Time moves on, and folks will transition in and out. Ream said earlier on in some thread you don't have to move at 220 to be good. He's right. Smart design and quality instruction will enable success. The issue is, you need new people every season. Those people generally are the young'ins. You need to make the organization attractive for them to come on board, and want to stay. If they're not, find out why. Do something about it, and fast. As for the uniform, I've seen where good visual design and instruction can make the Kilts work for a program. It takes a lot of effort and knowledge. It may mean the uniform needs some subtle tailoring to make them work. The Cabs did just that. The unis look the same- but they were tweaked to get around some visual issues they had with them. And yeah, Donny can help. An understatement if there ever was one. I know I could learn mucho from him as a musician and would appreciate it. There are a lot of future options that should be put on the table for the corps. Continuing to do what's been done the past couple of years could be one of them, but I sincerely hope it's not seriously considered.
  42. 1 point
    If then, several barriers don't exist, those that remain can easily be overcome. What it will take is selflessness, courage and the desire to move the program in the right direction. As another contributor to this conversation stated, the corps belongs to a far larger group than just the BOD. I firmly believe that to be the case.
  43. 1 point
    Donald Gratwood, another crazy in that group, thinks that there aren't any drum corps that are inclusive to all children reguardless of skill or financial status.... Hey Donald! It's called high school marching band now and there are more marching bands in America than there ever were drum corps!
  44. 1 point
    One of the reasons I feel suggestions and ideas will fall on deaf ears, is the lack of meaningful participation in this conversation, by somebody who posts a link and nothing else. The recent and current BOD have a history of assuming a defensive posture whenever approached. Silence is not golden.
  45. 1 point
    Keith: I will not dispute that the kids today do amazing things, some of which are "enhanced". However, as you indicated, we still had time to do other things while marching. Additionally, it wasn't uncommon to march with kids from the neighborhood (as you indicated). The cost was negligible both monetarily and in time. I eventually became one of those that was considered an "import", but it was far more rare than it is today. Today its more rare if you are from the "hood". Not to mention the fact that there were several hundred corps. Not two dozen.
  46. 1 point
    agree Rich's track record speaks for itself
  47. 1 point
    I like Cadets2. But I really would like to see them break new ground rather than play re-treads of Cadet's shows. Play upon the restrictions of weekend-only demands and make that your own. Stop with the shows that only bring up comparisons to former Cadet's "glories." It doesn't work, George. Stop it. Don't even think about West Side Stories, Angels & Demons, Samuel Barber or Aaron Copland. Tell your staff to learn to write shows that are original to the DCA experience. Find your own voice. That will get you somewhere. Show us a program that hasn't been seen in either DCI or DCA. The DCA audiences are very well aware of DCI shows. We've seen Toy Souldier (sic) already.
  48. 1 point
    I feel like you just unnecessarily spent a full post explaining something that's painfully obvious. I'm sure he realizes he is not seeing what the judges are seeing; hence why he said "I must be missing something with BDB that others are seeing."
  49. 1 point
    I just hope they spend the majority of the show looking forward, not backwards. As pleasing as the latter might be (to fans, that is) I would be concerned how it would affect their scores. Coming off 10th in 2014, they certainly don't want to risk falling out of Finals in their anniversary year.
  50. 1 point
    Not to mention the luxury of a captive audience there to see a football game. They can't all get a hot dog or relieve nature at the same time. Half of a 95,000 audience is still huge, and a gift that keeps on giving. I'd bet those fans would cheer just as loudly if Crown performed halftime, after figuring out how to program for four sides of the field.
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