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No one seems to have an opinion about him

Let’s put it another way. If George Hopkins is reinstated at Cadets, or anywhere else in drum corps, then I will never buy a ticket again.

Unless the Cadets corps song is officially changed to Georgy Porgy I say we boycott DCI. That about says it!!!#

Just thinking what would happen in Cadets land if GH would come back. Thinking mass exodus in management and bottoming out in recruiting.

You are mixing metaphors. DCI is to drum corps as the NCAA is to college football. And if the NCAA enjoys non-profit status, why should DCI worry?

Just when I think nothing surprises me anymore, we get this.

Exactly. Let it play out in the court of law. We’ve beaten this to death on here.

I'm thinking Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria! 10 points to Gryffindor!! I mean Ghostbusters! #### it!

It’s been almost a year now since the George Hopkins debacle took place. We have discussed his wrongdoing, its impact on the victims and the overall activity. His contributions as well as his faults have been acknowledged. We have discussed his mental state, whether his religious conversion is sincere, his personal financial health, and just about any other factor imaginable. I have no idea whether this is a legitimate thread or some attempt to stir to the pot, but I think it is time to put all George Hopkins discussions to rest.

Throw in another Cavanaugh reference so we can know what your previous dcp name was? Legends thy name is also Cosby and Sandusky

Admittedly boosting my post count so I can be within 1/1000th of Jeff.

What Barneveld said.

In before closed.

Don't let the corps hit you in the fanny on the way out.

Cadets pioneered a new era with such drill moments. It was a big risk, then. Maybe they can shake up the activity's currently (imho) stale visual model with something totally new that the fans will love.

The prevailing sentiment seems to be :

In before closed!😜

That's bananable; you left out an 'a'. 🍌

For those interested: Preliminary Hearing:: Comm. vs. GH - April 24, 2019 (Wednesday) - Start Time: 11:30 AM - Court Room 2C - County: Lehigh - from the Courts scheduling page.

George Hopkins was a legend in this activity and if he is not rightfully reinstated by the beginning of the season then I'm never buying another ticket again

We are closing this for now

This horse has been beaten to death. iClose

And to think, Jeff, you wanted this thread closed. Just when the fun is beginning again.

What, no love for 79? We were just happy to back in finals.

Ahhh yes. The “we know best about women empowerment committee” made up entirely of men. It’s kinda like how Green Book was written and directed by a bunch of white people.

2005 The Zone- That corps was Excellent. Aungst's drumline was so good, they sang their parts and still took percussion. I remember the percussion section cutting practice short for an ice cream break. ( the whole corps actually) That Brass line was impeccable, Gino had them believing they could do anything. I saw the guard and front ensemble working on the ballad together in Allentown a week before finals. I stood there mesmerized. Sully wrote a groundbreaking show that year. The only corps to sweep every caption and sub-caption. 1987 Appalachian spring -This is my favorite Cadet show of all time. I remember the chills I got seeing it live at finals, much like the chills I'm getting now thinking about it. Beautiful, Powerful music, Dissolving company front, Gold Medal and a perfect drum score to boot. Wow! 2000 We are the Future- Some people say this show was all about the ending. I say it was the awesome music and marching in the beginning and middle. The ending was the cherry on top of a delicious show. 2007 This I Believe- This show holds a special place in my heart. This Cadet corps was really good. A group of kids that had to be strong in the face critics that were adverse to change (vocals) in drum corps. This corps blazed a trail of wins through the west coast, performed great through the idiots that Boo'd during semi-finals and performed spectacularly during finals. This show should have won. 1993 In the Springtime When Kings go off to War- At the time I said 1993 was a battle of the best of what drum corps is and what drum corps will be in the future. I loved this show. Fast paced high energy, Powerful and guard that took visual interpretation to the next level. Oh, and that ballad! 2011 Between Angels and Demons- I never seen a bunch of young people enjoy a drum corps show so much in all my years in the activity. Watching the show evolve, the joy of the performers, and the payoff at the end. What a ride. A side note: The corps did a west coast tour that year. I had a bad taste in my mouth from 2007 and was ready to beat the breaks off of the first sign of negativity. The folks on the West coast were as nice and welcoming as they could be. Knocked that chip right off my shoulder. 1991 ABC's of Modern American Music- I never thought The Cadets could pull off 'Short ride in a fast machine' but my hats off to the percussion arranger. They did! The ballad was a beautiful story well interpreted by the color guard which also cleansed your pallet for the wild Ballz to the Wallz ending. 1991 was an exceptional year for drum corps a year before or after this show would have placed higher. 2010 West Side Story- This arrangement of WSS was sick! The guard was incredible and if not for a weird 1 point drop in percussion from semi's to finals they would have placed higher. This was my favorite version of WSS sonically and visually in all my years of drum corps. 1983 Rocky Point/Mass- A corps that would not be denied! The Cadets started the season clean and well prepared and ended with their first championship and a first for an east coast corps. That brass line was killing it! I can still visualize the crowd chanting EAST! EAST! EAST! 1998 Stonehenge- I never really liked this show for some strange reason. I remember during the 1998 season saying The Cadets will probably win because of content and execution but I didn't like it then. Because of this thread, I watched it again and again. ( about 5 times straight) Wow! what a GREAT show! It took 20 years but, I came around. 2006 Volume 2: Through the Looking Glass- I picked this show because of what it brought to drum corps. I remember the critics/trolls on Drum Corps Planet and REC.ARTS. mercilessly ripping this show. I remember saying " In a few years your corps will be doing the same thing" It took more than a few years but as you look back on that show you see the impact they made on today's drum corps. As I look back this was probably one of the Cadets most talented corps but that show was a bear to handle. I was in charge of props that year. whoa! 12. 1982 * Rocky Point Holiday * Cuban Overture * Concerto in F- For personal reasons, I add this show. I have a few stories: For as long as I can remember, before every play I performed in elementary school, every boxing and jujitsu match, every marching band and drum corps show, I would take a deep breath, hold it as long as I could, Release, Perform. Prelims morning in Montreal was exceptionally hot. The Cadets back then wore wool uniforms with lined insulated jackets. Anyway, I took a deep breath, held it, and blacked out. I woke up in Concerto in F with my horn down everybody else's horn was up. I marched most of the show on muscle memory. The Next night I remember it being exceptional cold, I remember the snow flurries during "warm-ups" I remember the corps being ON. I remember me being ON. I could hear everything around me, and see the spacing between me and the next person in every set. I was so in tune with the show and everything around me. I remember during the final company front in Gershwins Concerto in F being overcome with emotion and tears streaming down my face and the EMT people asking if I was OK as the corps marched off the field. WOW! Honorable Mentions: 2012 12.25- I hate Christmas, I hate Christmas music. I love this show. Note: The slow march segment in the opener, The brass is marching slowly with some fancy lower body movement on the left side of the field. On the right side, the percussion is playing and marching crazy drill like it's 1993. What an awesome effect! And that kaleidoscopic Sactig Ending. I hate Christmas music. I love this show! 2018 Boston Crusaders- Just Kidding. I love that show. Great Organization, awesome people. 2017 The Faithful, The Fallen, The Forgiven- I absolutely love what The Cadets Tried to do with this show. The costuming and props were on point. I loved the arrangements. I only wish there was a little Angels and Demons action in the Fallen section. I guess they never got my email. 2018 The Unity Project- First. When I saw the uniforms on Facebook I made fun of the design. ( I was wrong, It worked on the field and lot's of people love it.) When I first saw the corps in Akron, Ohio, I thought "Oh My God The Cadets are Awful This Year" I have never said that ever since I first saw them one June day in New Jersey back in 75. My friend Irving ( Fan of the Arts) Told me how the corps was trying to find the right balance of hard work and rest ( something rare in Cadetland) and by Atlanta, I could see the clarity in the show. The hard work was paying off. I remember during finals as the mellophones did that familiar run and the Z-Pull started to unravel, my heart filled as the young man in the traditional Cadet uniform appeared, I stood there clapping with tears in my eyes and what had been oblivious to me all season I heard loud and clear. " Ladies and Gentlemen, Under the direction of Scott Litzenburg, The Cadets!" A new era has Begun. Oh, and 1985 because it was F****** Awesome!

It’s about 10.5 - 13 minutes long.

I’m curious, how many women on their design team? Are there any female caption heads?

Because that's how many titles they'll have after this season.

The National Collegiate Athletic Association is a member-led organization dedicated to the well-being and lifelong success of college athletes. WHO MAKES THE RULES? Member representatives serve on committees that propose rules and policies surrounding college sports. Members ultimately decide which rules to adopt – everything from recruiting and compliance to academics and championships – and implement them on campus. WHAT DOES THE NATIONAL OFFICE DO? The 500 employees at the NCAA’s Indianapolis headquarters interpret and support member legislation, run all championships and manage programs that benefit student-athletes. http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/ncaa-101/what-ncaa

Oh, how to make this clear... If you want to compare drum corps vs. college football: DO DCI vs. NCAA individual drum corps vs. college football teams DON'T DCI vs. college football teams NCAA vs. individual drum corps

Clemson Tigers, Crimson Tiders, it all sounds the same to me!

Asian themed shows can plenty weird.

Can we sing the song; please, please; please; please!!!!!

oh I thought they were the property of Nick Saban after being in a receivership after Bear Bryant passed away LOL

That works when the design is better/fresh and the performance lives up to expectations..:hasn’t really been the case.

Marched with a now-DCA judge and, I found out/remembered a few years back, Jeff Sacktig.

Depends on who you talk to from August to January LOL

You woulda beat my ### and made finals. You also would have done the southern swing in August with us and Kilties.

Are school sports teams considered non-profits groups on their own or part of the school and how ever the school has itself set regarding nonprofit status? Interested how DCI has itself defined so that it can be designed nonprofit by irs.

Thanks for the link. At least the designers are giving newer artists’ music a try. Let’s see how they do with this. I’m excited to see the result. Not ready to write them off as some posters here do year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year......

Are the US Marines still on the 2v Kanstuls? Hanover Lancers are on Kanstuls but that was just before the used market dried up. No idea if ever ordered from factory.

https://youtu.be/PerMgdaSlSU

I worked the DCI East show that year, one of the years it was in Philly while the Allentown venue was being renovated. I was down in the lower right-hand corner of the field, watching members of the Cavies' horn line sprinting to that corner, full tilt. This was jazz running taken to another level altogether. All while playing and maintaining control of their sound. Absolutely incredible.

Me too, even if it's a position or ideology that I share.

Same

it's March. Everyone is a contender. I am sure they will do a show some will love, some will hate, and the ballad will be the best part

Can't say I agree with you. Since their win in 2013, Crown's placements have been: 2014-5th 2015--2nd 2016-3rd 2017-3rd 2018-4th In the same stretch of time, with BD getting 2nd in 2013, BD has been: 2014-1st 2015-1st 2016-2nd 2017-1st 2018-2nd I don't see a new era, at least in regards to BD, personally.

I’m convinced DCI is made healthier by presenting itself to the widest possible audience. Increasing viewership well beyond the audience who chooses to attend events in person. Thus, the success and continued growth of Flo is essential. Hopefully, The DCI/Flo relationship will grow to permit the inclusion of enthusiasts around the world creating a customer base greater than could ever attend live inside a venue. Helps to attract sponsors, too! This is no time to abandon Flo. I plan to subscribe and encourage others to do the same!