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  1. 4 points
    Through all of the changes, one thing is clear about DCI - today, 10 years ago, and 30 years ago when I fell in love with it... DCI is the best of the best of marching music. Even BOA grand nationals look like a video played at 1/2 speed in comparison. It is phenomenal what these kids and young adults are doing in DCI. It is shocking how good these corps sound today. Keep it going for the next 10 and I’ll be happy.
  2. 4 points
    Fascinating to look back ten years (to the day!) and see what people here thought about future trends.
  3. 3 points
    Yet another thread just opened regarding the fear of DCI adding woodwinds. But it seems to me that the more immediate concern should be over drum corps being significantly affected by a move away from show designs that focus on music and movement and toward shows designed around the color guard and WGI-type themes. You need only look as far as Blue Devils 2009 for an example of this as a trend that show designers are taking and, more significantly, that judges are rewarding. And with judges rewarding this design style, it won’t be long before many other corps follow suit and, as a result, change the face of drum corps forever. And if finals remain in Lucan Oil Stadium (with its crappy sight lines and disturbing echo), corps will have even more reason to play/march less and act, pose, do gynmastics, move chairs, etc. more. So while everyone is so worried about woodwinds, drum corps is changing significantly right under our noses and few seem to be saying or doing anything about it.
  4. 2 points
    I bought a Cadets2 zip up hoodie in ‘15. I guess it’s a collectors item now. I’m keeping it.
  5. 2 points
    Very true Mike. But Star also had the best model for drum corps that could have existed at the time. They were already sustaining the corps with revenue from Star Tours. I don't think anyone would argue that Bill made Star possible with his financial clout...but also with the model he created. ####### brilliant if you ask me. Raising money is always the elephant in the room. I know some corps can manage the bingo gig. BD set themselves up for success by cashing in on their status as a world champion group over and over again. Camps, secondary companies and performance groups, etc etc etc. The key to both Star and BD is that they have run their corps LIKE A BUSINESS rather than like a niche activity.
  6. 2 points
    Pretty much agree with the Bluecoats, Cavies and Devils. Always seem to enjoy Crown's brass book. But all these dark, angry shows disturb me. What is the activity so mad at and why are we teaching the young people to emote hatred and anger? There is so much to celebrate in life that only music can foster the emotions of a positive future and happiness. Anger is such a base emotion I see no reason to continue teaching it. I for one see no gratification in paying serious money to watch perhaps the most talented young people out there snarling at me.
  7. 2 points
    Played pipe band for 10 years. Can’t wait to hear them with shotgun mics. Mike
  8. 2 points
    been building this way for a while
  9. 1 point
    DCA Final Regular Season Standings as of 8/25/19 Open Class 1 Buccaneers (3) 93.85 2 Atlanta CV (1) 93.70 3 Caballeros (2) 93.15 4 Bushwackers (3) 87.25 5 Fusion Core (3) 87.15 6 White Sabers (3) 86.00 7 Hurricanes (2) 82.95 8 Cincinnati Tradition (8) 74.95 9 Sunrisers (2) 73.60 10 Southern Knights (1) 73.00 Class A 1 Skyliners (3) 77.80 2 Carolina Gold (5) 75.75 3 Govenaires (7) 69.15 4 Columbus Saints (9) 55.85 (1) Hiram, GA 8/25 (2) Seymour, CT 8/24 (3) Reading, PA 8/24 (4) Woodbridge, NJ 8/17 (5) Goldsboro, NC 8/17 (6) Kingston, NY 8/3 (7) St. Peter, MN 8/3 (8) Peckville, PA 7/27 (9) Pataskala, OH 7/20
  10. 1 point
    With the shift in emphases in movement and musical styles during recent seasons, new ways of expression are required to assist the communication on the adjudication tapes and competitive critique comments to align these with the new realities. In fact so much of the current vocabulary of assessment and evaluation pre-date DCI’s beginnings in 1972 of the previous century; their continued use may tinge the roster of 136 DCI judges (https://www.frontensemble.com/judges) as dated and even stodgy to the new mms, designers and faculty hip on moving past traditions and military-based manners to these new realities of field performance. These newer terms are derived from other sciences or as DCI terms them, Strategic Partners in the activity. To prepare for 2020 and beyond, to ready one’s self for the future Rules Congress discussions, and to appear erudite, relevant, and astute to the hordes at marching band and winter indoor contests before the next DCI season, now is not too soon to consider and integrate these new judging terms into one’s everyday conversations. DCP posters, Reddit roosters, and dinosaurs of all eras wishing themselves to appear current, contemporary, intellectual and aware would best approach the new language skills as if tackling SAT’s, ACT’s, GRE’s or M-Cats. Here are a few to trial. Certainly there will be more. 1. Ecdysis refers to the constant change of garb by mms during performance shedding one set of clothing (whether deemed uniform or costume) much like a snake sloughing its skin. Similar to the advent of the constant change of flash flags by guards in the 1980’s and after, corps in the Cesario-Carlson era/error molt their vesture as if the audience has A.D.D. and grows weary of viewing the same wears every few steps. The Strippers of Atlanta did this no less than 3X during their 2019 performance while many other corps such as Colts and Jersey Surf appeared to change only twice. Interestingly, SCV, Crown. Bloo, BAC and Cavaliers did not succumb to ecdysis which may account to their higher placements; the Allentown unit reverted to dysecdysis as the season progressed and disregarded the shedding which marked their early contests. Certainly there are some who believe that a Berry or Miller outfit should never molt. 2. Tonic immobility as a visual term refers to the paralysis of movement (oft termed Staging) as opposed to the free-flowing of formations and drill. It replaces the BITD terms of “Park and Play” and “Park and Bark.” When the term is used musically, it would refer to each musical arrangement sounding like all the others the unit performs. 3. Thanatosis is a term relating to “playing dead” (think Will Pitts ending Regiment’s ‘08 Spartacus and his age-out performance.) Thanatosis may also refer to the groveling on the ground and inability to stand on one’s feet which marks many of the “acting” efforts of today’s units. Obsequies often follow particularly when championship scores are announced. This is not always good. 4. Sisyphean task connotes the endless pushing of props across the field particularly when done by musicians to hide that they are not playing their instruments while the props are moved. Like Sisyphus these efforts may be relentless but mark the hubris of the designer, not that of the marching member who would prefer to be a musician. The adjudicator and audience is to be distracted by the transit of the prop, a fete the front ensemble has mastered and excelled before and after every practice and performance. However, the front ensemble cannot be everywhere. 5. Urban vistas refers to the cluttering of the green fields with tarps and props such that the grass and turf no longer is considered venerable green spaces for the environment but, like the cement cities of the metropolis, are doted with columns, buildings, faux-mountains, and other constructed objects hindering the natural view. Like builders fitting as many buildings on postage stamp lots as possible, bigger is not always better. Beware if your designer lives in a city and has never seen a panorama not suitable for cementing or camouflaging. 6. Sonic filigree are those amazing exercises of masterful technique inserted into the score of a nice melody or lyrical piece to show off the talent and skill a horn line, arranger, battery or front ensemble wish you to acknowledge no matter whether the beauty of the piece is interrupted or disrupted. Sonic filigree is not necessary to the piece but sometimes is more memorable. When this is done electronically, it is known as white noise. 7. Stationary front is similar to its cousin in meteorology: that is something that is stuck in place. Most often it will refer to a horn line caught in tonic immobility. *** These are the terms I have eked out of the Task Force so far. What others might you have learned???
  11. 1 point
    Well, sure. Do you want me to give it to you or do you want to go get it from Guidestar yourself? If the three years typically found on Guidestar don't satisfy you, I have 990s going back a couple of decades. Don't hold me to this but, if memory serves, a decade ago DCI's top-line revenue was something along the lines or $8million. 2015 it was $11.5mm and 2017, the most recent year, it was $11.75million. There are several measures of growth and the 990s don't show clear indications of how much of gross revenue is passed on to the corps. But the top-line revenue of DCI, absent any debt financing, represents all of what the tour takes in to distribute to the corps (exclusive of the TOC shows which have their own payout schedule of the revenues generated at those shows). I think a reasonable goal would be for that number to be growing significantly through increased exposure and growth of corps, MMs, and paying family and friends. So long as expenses are kept in check, payments to corps would be increasing. It's easy to see increasing fights for an increasing slice of the pie if the pie isn't growing.
  12. 1 point
    Reading appeared to have no noticeable flaws. They came across as very purposeful. Lots of detailing in every phrase. Had a slight issue with sound reinforcement of french horn in opener, was fine in ballad. Technically the brass and percussion are leaps and bounds above everyone else. Hawthorne's first 2 minutes were electric. The show lost energy and engagement after the Mambo/Mozart production until the closer. Not sure about the transition to the coda but the last move was very effective. The whole corps moves very well and the music ensemble works well together. Bushwackers have filled a lot of holes and it showed (both positively and negatively). Drum line was strong and had a consistent presence. Right now the brass are struggling with finishing phrases and lack trumpet voice. Guard is good and the costumes do a good job enhancing theme. Fusion's show works well conceptually. The brass need to take command of the opener. Right now it goes nowhere. Guard was much better than in Kingston and Clifton. Percussion is under rated. White Sabres really need to get the color guard up to speed, it may be the achilles heel that keeps them 6th Percussion was strong. Brass seemed to be shouting at all times. Also, please learn to make a 7..... Good crowd, nice to see Al Chez honor the Buglers Hall of Fame inductees.
  13. 1 point
    We've been discussing this as well in a different thread. I would agree with what you're saying here. Apparently though, the majority of directors and school boards aren't willing to make accommodations for people marching corps. I marched HS band and corps and college and corps and NEVER had an issue.
  14. 1 point
    I have several Atlanta CV ones and some vintage Corpsvets ones from when I marched. I guess they would be "vintage" (just like me according to Britt LOL)
  15. 1 point
    I will suggest a different order for the suggestions here: START. STOP. CHANGE. START dreaming of your version of a championship, a finalist, a semi-finalist, or a break-out show today! (You already are, I know.) Dream it. Discuss it. Storyboard it. Then set it aside and go on vacation. Upon your return, and after you revisit the storyboards ... STOP. Hard stop. Consider and reconsider every single second of that storyboard. Can we accomplish this; actually? (Think Jersey Surf's pitch-perfect show for judges, fans, and its performers.) What makes this production our corps' version of its best self? (Keep all of that.The Cavaliers.) What will become over the course of the season groaningly weary for judges, fans, and your performers? (Readers: find your best/worst example of this.) CHANGE it. Now! Don't think that the very first judge in the very first competition won't suss it out, causing you to have to change it on the fly. CHANGE, part 2. Have changes built into the fabric of the production. If it doesn't work changes, but more importantly, changes (layers) to add that will plus the show for all three audiences over time. (The Blue Devils have mastered this. COPY IT! Hell's bells: you copy everything else, often.) Be 2020's Pacific Crest! __________ Since I wrote this, I have read an interesting -- and pertinent -- idea on creativity from choreographer Twyla Tharp. In her book, "The Creative Habit," she emphasized how important it is to have a "spine" for any piece. “The spine is the statement you make to yourself outlining your intention for the work. You intend to tell this story. You intend to explore this theme. You intend to employ this structure… Once you accept the power of spine in the creative act, you will become much more efficient in your creativity. You will still get lost on occasion, but having a spine will anchor you. When you lose your way, it will show you the way home. It will remind you that this is what you have set out to do, this is the story you’re trying to tell, this is the effect you’re trying to achieve. Having a spine will snap you back to attention quickly and, as a result, will inject speed and economy into your work habits. “Having a spine lets me know where I am starting from and where I want to go…It lets me know when I am dawdling or digressing or wasting time. It reminds me that everything I add is either on message or off. Most of all, it lets me know when I’m done.”
  16. 1 point
    You can't compare when subjects and content are different..oh and by the way tics were just as subjective...I taught and judged under both..yes guards were trained in technique but what makes you think they aren't now and with way more responsibilities
  17. 1 point
    My one "old grumpy former drum corps guy" complaint LOL. Screaming guard moms (and dads...sisters...brothers...groupies...) should be designated to a specific section which is then soundproofed and insulated with foam walls and nets (in case one of them flips their #### on a missed catch and tries to jump.) Yeah we had beach balls flying around the stadium...but beach balls don't scream "THEY'RE ALWAYS READYYYYYYYYY!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
  18. 1 point
    Well, now I need to go to London. ...when band's over... ... poop.
  19. 1 point
    I'm proud of what the MM's, volunteers and staff did this year. My hope is that they continue to grow and make positive change moving forward and that the corps accepts the help of volunteers and vets a little more openly this coming season. I do understand though that the feedback and suggestions given need to be positive and framed in such a way that they are constructive criticism's with actual PLANS to institute change and not the cringe-worthy rants/demands of people who clearly just want what they want. I do hope Will Pitts comes back in a capacity that he can be fully successful at. I truly believe this year, he was out of his element. Whether he asked for that additional responsibility or it was dropped in his lap is of no concern now as long as something was learned. I'm not on the inside of PR as I am not a vet so all I can do is sit back and watch and remain openly positive and supportive as I did this past season.
  20. 1 point
    And there will be GIFs. Lots and lots of GIFs.
  21. 1 point
  22. 1 point
    Here's hoping no on BD's staff visits the wrong kind of massage parlor.
  23. 1 point
    We actually don't know this, and neither does he (so I'm told). We just know that he's not resigning. He may indeed return, but the board has reportedly not made that decision yet.
  24. 1 point
    I absolutely agree with you regarding the CV score at the last regular season show. Folks are making a big deal about the fact that CV will have no head to head matchup with Reading prior to finals. But they may have an even better strategy of ensuring the last score of the season. Look at how well it worked for Minnesota in 2011.
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  26. 1 point
    Cavaliers, and why is this even a matter of discussion? 😎
  27. 1 point
    The flags Cavies used in the Road to Perdition section looked like they were right out of the graphic novel. I just loved it. 💕
  28. 1 point
    Change your first word "Most" to "Many" and I'd be more agreeable to accept your other statements, especially that which I have enboldened. Get rid of referencing WGI altogether; drum corps is a different animal, not WGI in summertime. It needs to be evaluated on its own plane, its own horizon, and its own possibilities not merely mimicking what's down indoors on basketball courts.
  29. 1 point
    They are everywhere.. Which makes a Cadet Revival a scary thing for the other corps because alot of great people have a lot of high ranking positions with corps around the top twelve.. What the Cadets are capable of doing this Staff Silly season could disrupt a number of corps.. Not that any of them will leave their positions for the chance at a revival, but you cannot discredit what it means for someone " To Go Home" And be a part of the Alumni that restore the Dominance the corps once enjoyed..
  30. 1 point
  31. 1 point
    Would love to see Bluecoats do an all jazz show. How about a show that explores the different styles of jazz. Something from New Orleans, Chicago, St Louis, NYC, something from over seas..etc.
  32. 1 point
    You could mix EWF very well with Tower of Power music
  33. 1 point
    It happens every year. Period. Quit with the conspiracy theories.
  34. 1 point
    There should be a Goo penalty.
  35. 1 point
    STOP THE VIOLENCE...………………………………………….. I'm sorry, did you say violins or violence? Maybe stop both???????????
  36. 1 point
    Life-sized Goliath figure. Head not included. 1-800-555-4BAC
  37. 1 point
    Yes, Rise up! Don't give up your shot to score great bargains now!
  38. 1 point
    I heard a funny while shivering in my seat: "The only people glad it's so cold in the stadium this year are the Blue Stars."
  39. 1 point
    actually no. Tresona and other rights holders made sure it was done this way, or DCI would have to keep cutting huge checks for past abuses if not getting sued out of business. the old DVR stuff on the fan network didn't follow the licensing laws, and as a result, DCI ended up cutting a large 6 figure check to pay for past abuses. And they're lucky, that check could have been a lot higher.
  40. 1 point
    actually Flo has the control, it's their platform. And if you want dvr etc, be prepared to pay at least triple what you are now to cover the costs...and that's provided Flo/DCI can get the rights to do any type of recorded replay/delay. DCI cares. DCI is also not made of unlimited money. to live stream thats one fee. it's another fee for recorded playback/dvr. Plus the other fees for various things. Blaming DCI is honestly not knowing the laws or caring and just looking for a scapegoat, cause if they did decide to pay for all that, everyone would complain about how much they had to pay to get it. DCI isn't getting rich off of the streaming rights from Flo.
  41. 1 point
    There are legal reasons why there is no DVR capability to Flo. Why people don't understand this many years after the Fan Network was shut down is beyond me
  42. 1 point
    Flo has some issues, mostly on customer service. the broadcast has gotten better. licensing fees and rights aint cheap. It's not like DCI and Flo are making millions on the deal.
  43. 1 point
    Coming up on twenty years married to my guard chick . Met in one corps, went to another one together a couple years later, still going!
  44. 1 point
    Well, I've taken this comment on before, and I'll take it on again. Yes, it can be compared. That's because the type of demand has changed over the years . . . but once guards started spinning and throwing their equipment, it was always complex, at least commensurate with what the judging sheets demanded at the time. There is a huge level of demand in, for example, throwing a heavy (especially compared with today's standards) rifle in a quad, nailing the rotations, body positions, position of equipment in the air, keeping the feet where they're supposed to be without stepping out of position (which I see waaay too much of nowadays) and not dropping. All of which guards were doing constantly back in the '70s because they had to. Anything less got them deductions (tics) from the judges. And they were doing this all day long, day in and day out, with rifle lines that were generally rifle lines for an entire show, not a segment or segments. So guards then were trained in technique, trained to nail all the little stuff, trained to do all of this while marching, sometimes even during high knee lift (which they also had to execute uniformly and correctly, lest they be ticked), and each individual was expected to execute all of these details without ticking. That contains its own inherent demand, and that level of demand is something that I remain unconvinced that guards of today could do as well simply because they're not trained in that way, the sheets don't demand that they perform a tickless show, so neither the performers nor the judges expect that. As with guards then, they are trained, but in a different way, and many perform what they are trained to do exceptionally well. But to claim that ability and complexity cannot be compared ignores the essence of what guards of yesteryear did.
  45. 1 point
    Yeah but we've also been told that the "best and the brightest" in the MB world would be involved and they have been doing this for years. Ooops.... that was during the amps discussions.... and there are threads grumbling about amp use too.... Gee, synths are new to the MB world too.... right.
  46. 1 point
    Well now, this was some interesting reading ... I will admit I'm a bit "Guard bias" but so be it. Let's remember folks, it is called "Drum and Bugle Corps" .. this will never change. HNC have been doing this for 75 years (congrats to them BTW). I don't see it changing to "Drum, Bugle and Color Guard Corps" anytime soon. Is there WGI influence here, on the visual aspects of guard I would say absolutly yes. That's just the way it is. Back when Piper was "crusing for guard babes" the ability and complexity of what color guards could do cannot be compared to what is being done now. Just as corps are changing musically, so are guards. Example, BD tossed rifle ensemble EIGHT, back in the 70's as stated that would not have been a thought! Color Guards are pushing the envelope every year. If you haven't been to a WGI Color Guard show, your comment about "prancin and dancin" shows your inability to judge what you don't know. With 100+ musicians and say 40 guard members in an average drum corps, I think that the spotlight on music is pretty safe.
  47. 1 point
    You are exactly right. I started noticing this a year or two back,....and this year even more. The crowd is turning into a WGI crowd, when every time a "soloist" tosses a 4 or 5 and catches it, all you here is a bunch of little pre-orgasmic screams. At first I would wonder what the scream and applause was for,...then I started to watch for it, and lo and behold, that is what it was. Just like being at a WGI show,...enough to make you wonder.
  48. 1 point
    I guess I missed some news along the way--woodwinds in drum corps? I heard about some sax action at I&E but what exactly is going on with DCI that there's a real concern about WW in my beloved drum corps? Perhaps a link, I don't want to bog down the thread. Shows have been designed around the (do I call it color guard?) visual aspect for years now and command too great a percentage of judging captions. At Finals, my friends and I felt the guards or non-musician people were often more of a distraction than complimentary to the corps. Felt like we were at the (bad) ballet with drum corps people in the background. Guess it's art but why?
  49. 1 point
    I think that's a very narrow subset of the general arguments we've seen about this issue. Here's my own opinion of the whole deal: 1. I've grudgingly accepted amplified pit. At least the people are playing acoustic instruments that are being amplified. I still find the amplified sound distracting and somewhat anachronistic to the whole ensemble, but I'm dealing with it. But as others have said, balance is still an issue. The volume is being cranked up for the press box, which is a mighty narrow audience to try to please. 2. I do not like synthesized sounds in drum corps. I gave it a season. I did not comment often on any particular use of them. I got very tired of people using the synth to hype their bass sound, and other sounds just felt forced to me. I would like synths to go the way of narration: a few corps MIGHT use it, but it would be nice if most corps would be able to compete successfully without it - especially without the hyper-bass.
  50. 1 point
    I have not seen 2009 yet, but... 1. 2000 - We Are The Future; possibly my favorite Cadets show ever. All season-long I was rooting for The Cavaliers, because I love Michael Daugherty's "Niagara Falls." Then I get the DVDs and, while the Cavies had a great show, no way no how should they have caught the Cadets. 2. 2001 - Juxtaperformance; while The Cadets are not my all-time favorite corps, I love how their design staff is ALWAYS willing to try something new. I think it's unquestionable that, year-in year-out, The Cadets take more risks at "pushing the envelope" of drum corps. The music in this show is completely dissimilar amongst itself, yet the cohesive whole is fabulous. Cadets should have repeated this year, not the Cavaliers, IMO. 3. 2006 - The Zone, Part 2: Through The Looking Glass; wait, what? Yes, I'm serious. I loved the design of this show. I think 2006 had a better show design/concept than 2005, the execution just wasn't there. The pitch-ascending repeated "Twilight Zone" motif in the finale was leagues more effective than the somewhat blah ending to 2005, too. 4. 2003 - Our Favorite Things; Fanfare & Allegro was good. Malaguena was fantastic, probably my favorite Malaguena ever. Rocky Point didn't work for me, though. 5. 2005 - The Zone: Dreamscape In Four Parts, With A Door; probably the best ballad of the decade (any corps), and the drumspeak was unbelievable tight. The execution level of this show is absurdly high. But, aside from the opening section (after the pounding music following "...The Zone!"), I found the first 3-4 minutes of this show really, really dull. There's hardly any melody in the first half, just a lot of harmonic and rhythmic development. Yes I'm serious. Everything before the ballad in this show is pretty musically uninspired. Big, huge, yawning chasm of a gap between the Top 5 and Bottom 4... 6. 2002 - An American Revival; Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy was fantastic, the rest of the show sucked. The patriotic Americana just felt like it was being rammed down the audience's throat. It didn't work for me, and it was far less effective than in 1995. 7. 2007 - This, I Believe; This I Believe: The Cadets didn't deserve to beat the Blue Devils. Again, execution was phenomenal (the reason this show is 7th instead of 8th or 9th). It wasn't the fact there was narration that ruined it for me, it was that the narration completely destroyed the flow of the show every time it occurred. The corps would get on a roll with some unbelievable music and drill, and then the show would come to a screeching halt for some more sappy dialogue. Very, very poor job of integrating the narration with the rest of the show. 8. 2008 - ...and the Pursuit of Happiness; it's like they took everything that failed in 2007 and made it worse. I still don't understand why the couch people weren't the ones actually doing the narration. Does DCI really need mimes? 9. 2004 - Living With The Past; I've listened to this show several times. I've never found anything to like about it, I've never found anything to hate about it. An emotionless, apathetic response is even worse than a strongly negative one, IMO.
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