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  1. 9 points
    I am fascinated by this topic, because in my puppy love years of following drum corps, I COULD NOT STAND the coming innovation. World Championships were coming to Birmingham, AL; I had secured a volunteer role with DCI's Public Relations Office. It was a dream come true! I was going to be a part of something that had become oxygen for my young professional self. Drum corps was wonderful; I wanted the world to know! And now I had a bit of a soapbox from which to proclaim it. The Blue Devils notched the highest score ever recorded in its championship show. Phantom Regiment seized hearts with "Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral," and Santa Clara's guard dropped into the bottle dance at show's end, to round out the medalists. Atlanta's Spirit was the hometown favorite with its wall of sound, and the 27th Lancers previewed what would become its just-about-almost 1980 championship show for fourth and fifth. No matter. It was the sixth place corps that rocked the stadium and that became the viral sensation (of the times): The Bridgemen. The Bayonne "bananas" played into the never-ending clapping hands of the rousing Southern audience with its off-the-wall, off-the-drum-corps-grid show. I. Was. Mortified. What was to be made of this mess, I sulked. There was not the precision of the Anaheim Kingsmen, who I revered. There was not the innovative color guard of the Troopers, that thrilled me. There was neither Spirit's nor the Madison Scouts' soaring hornlines. I know not a whit of the intricacies of percussion, but I KNEW that this drum line was not the razor-sharp sort of the Blue Devils. And isn't all of that what drum corps is all about, I whined, almost apologetic to the very people who I had urged to come experience drum corps. "They were great!" was the retort. And the next year the Bridgemen offered a rejoinder to my question of drum corps appropriateness by just-about-almost passing the Lancers for second place in front of one of the most raucous, rabid crowds of fans I had ever seen. What was my conflicted drum corps heart to do? __________ When I least expected it, grow to love it in the same way that Birmingham's crowds did, as drum corps crowds everywhere did, and as we all did for Bayonne's first cousin from California, the Velvet Knights. Good drum corps, it turns out, is good drum corps. No matter the style, the approach, the innovation, the current times: drum corps was bound to change over time, as it has for all time. Aren't we glad that "Autumn Leaves" is the corps song, not a performance requirement for The Bluecoats? Take this year's splendid Open Class Bronze Medalist, Gold; structurally it was a color guard show. The themes, "acts," and narration could be manipulated, and shortened, to make a life-affirming Dayton-bound production. As for guards not performing "the drum corps way," the mind-boggling, breath-taking, all-rifle backfield unison feature during the Boston Crusaders' "My Shot," begs to differ. (My heart rate jumped just writing about the moment.) All three choices are good ones, with no conspiratorial coup nor organizational take-over in mind/intended. At least in my view. I am going on 50 drum corps seasons. I love that the Bridgemen of my stiff-minded youth made Legion Field's upper deck sway just as a touchdown in the Alabama/Auburn football rivalry played there used to. I love that the Blue Devils turn choreography into kaleidoscopic drill. I love that the Blue Knights mesmerized with music and drill. I love the adeptness of Santa Clara's cast. I love my drum corps more than ever. Please don't stop. Any of it.
  2. 5 points
    easy. until names come forward, including the author, it's an unsubstantiated rumor.
  3. 4 points
    Through all of the changes, one thing is clear about DCI - today, 10 years ago, and 30 years ago when I fell in love with it... DCI is the best of the best of marching music. Even BOA grand nationals look like a video played at 1/2 speed in comparison. It is phenomenal what these kids and young adults are doing in DCI. It is shocking how good these corps sound today. Keep it going for the next 10 and I’ll be happy.
  4. 4 points
    Question to those who follow that side of the activity. To recruit a younger audience, why would anyone hold a Championship on Labor Day weekend? That younger audience is doing halftime performances with either their high school or college marching bands. DCI Championships are held each year at the same time so staff and MM’s can get to their band camps and also begin school. What value is there to DCI to absorb essentially a circuit the would be in contrast to their mission, not to mention their Saturday morning SoundSport and DrumLine battles. With all the events going on during DCI week most people are burned out come Saturday morning. Sunday is corps banquets and a travel day. I doubt there would be a lot of interest to attend another event with all-age groups. Unless these organizations can afford a limited Open Class tour schedule, WGI Winds might be their best option for the future. WGI has a large footprint for performance opportunities.
  5. 4 points
    Fascinating to look back ten years (to the day!) and see what people here thought about future trends.
  6. 4 points
    Yea, no kidding. The things that we were allowed to do in the Scouts, well, other drum corps were jealous of us. I remember touring with the Crossmen in 1981 and after the show near our buses, I fired up a cig and cracked open a bear, and this guy from Crossmen said to me "holy sh1t, you can do that? Is it allowed?" YUP! Scott Stewart always said that we will be treated like adults, just dont be stupid. We always had coolers full of cold one's in the bus luggage storage area. I will leave it there...
  7. 4 points
    that's not the issue at all. modern guards are outstanding. the guard judge was finally added to the panel around 2000, and i think this was a good thing. the activity seems to be morphing itself to a place where the guard is the focus of the entire show, and the other sections provide background music. i don't have a problem with a killer flag feature on the 50 yard line, because it is incredibly impressive. my beef is that the top shows are starting to look a lot like wgi shows you see in the independent world class: academic, technically proficient, and almost void of any relation to the music. the music is only there because it has to be. we see guard performance and design expanding its role on the sheets, and it is a bit alarming. i don't necessarily think that one section of the corps is more important than the other, but dci claims to be "Marching Music's Major League", but the music is starting to take a back seat. more and more it looks like "WGI - Summer Division" and i don't particularly care for it.
  8. 3 points
    Yet another thread just opened regarding the fear of DCI adding woodwinds. But it seems to me that the more immediate concern should be over drum corps being significantly affected by a move away from show designs that focus on music and movement and toward shows designed around the color guard and WGI-type themes. You need only look as far as Blue Devils 2009 for an example of this as a trend that show designers are taking and, more significantly, that judges are rewarding. And with judges rewarding this design style, it won’t be long before many other corps follow suit and, as a result, change the face of drum corps forever. And if finals remain in Lucan Oil Stadium (with its crappy sight lines and disturbing echo), corps will have even more reason to play/march less and act, pose, do gynmastics, move chairs, etc. more. So while everyone is so worried about woodwinds, drum corps is changing significantly right under our noses and few seem to be saying or doing anything about it.
  9. 3 points
    Here is my Drum Corps World review of the August 5th Tour of Champions Akron Drum Corps International World Class competition. http://www.gaminnet.info/?p=5879
  10. 3 points
    Have you SEEN the attendance at the Alumni show the last few years?! Maybe 500 people? Look, part of DCA's audience really likes the alumni thing, but alumni corps don't put additional butts in the seats.
  11. 3 points
    I don’t think it’s the number of corps that they necessarily need to be concerned with. When I was one of the young ones there last year, it’s a problem.
  12. 3 points
    I'm still in London enjoying drinking my sorrows of this season away. Give me a few days. I'll be back.
  13. 3 points
    Newly hired Executive Director. Newly hired Corps Director. Announcements at Corps Banquet that virtually all of the educational staff will return. And that educational staff is second to none. I don't expect any changes to the staff for the 2020 season.
  14. 3 points
    Take down a corps? Anyone can ask a question here correct? That does not equate to "taking down a corps". This is a message board - things are discussed, things are questioned. Just like in life. You would think if there are some type of glitch in the matrix at the corps ,,,, that there just might be some staff changes coming. Since you are so sensitive I will leave "your" thread. Have a stellar day.
  15. 2 points
    I know many focus on these numbers as a measure of health, but I’d encourage you to resist the temptation. Instead, you should peruse a look at the total, top-line gross revenue in DCI’s 990s. Has “record paid attendance” translated into more shareable revenue coming in from the tour to share among the corps?
  16. 2 points
    Also a corps needs to do an exact remake of Star 93 because I’m salty I never got to see that live 😂
  17. 2 points
    Heck some of the alumni corps members don’t even go to prelims or finals. They were all checking out of the Genetti on Sunday afternoon after alumni show.
  18. 2 points
    Yep. I'm not too far off myself at 47. But DCA is doing nothing PERIOD to recruit, showcase or even maintain their audience. DCA can be captivating just as is DCI. But it's going to take work that I don't think they're willing to put in. That's why I think DCI should take over the day to day operations of DCA. But that's just an opinion.
  19. 2 points
    Bluecoats were selling some pretty sweet varsity style jackets for $84. I passed partly because it might have been mistaken for a member jacket (even though they look completely different). Also, $84.
  20. 2 points
    I bought a Cadets2 zip up hoodie in ‘15. I guess it’s a collectors item now. I’m keeping it.
  21. 2 points
    My first show there was 1984. I leaned over to my father and said "I'm going to do that." I think he replied something along the lines of "Then you best get busy." I went to my first audition camp in 1986 and marched my rookie year in 1987. We share a similar experience and I would agree...don't change a thing. What I don't like, I'll find a way to find the good in.
  22. 2 points
    Very true Mike. But Star also had the best model for drum corps that could have existed at the time. They were already sustaining the corps with revenue from Star Tours. I don't think anyone would argue that Bill made Star possible with his financial clout...but also with the model he created. ####### brilliant if you ask me. Raising money is always the elephant in the room. I know some corps can manage the bingo gig. BD set themselves up for success by cashing in on their status as a world champion group over and over again. Camps, secondary companies and performance groups, etc etc etc. The key to both Star and BD is that they have run their corps LIKE A BUSINESS rather than like a niche activity.
  23. 2 points
    Get the three Essentials Collections Blu-ray’s, they are worth it.
  24. 2 points
    Also interesting to see old DCP member names that don't post anymore. Lots of talk about big changes ahead and ahead and ahead... Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
  25. 2 points
    https://bluedevils.org/programs/a-corps/about/https://bluedevils.org/programs/a-corps/about/ The photo in the upper right corner might offer a little perspective. There was no silver spoon. Their success has been earned, not gifted, just like all the other corps on the field these days.
  26. 2 points
    Pretty much agree with the Bluecoats, Cavies and Devils. Always seem to enjoy Crown's brass book. But all these dark, angry shows disturb me. What is the activity so mad at and why are we teaching the young people to emote hatred and anger? There is so much to celebrate in life that only music can foster the emotions of a positive future and happiness. Anger is such a base emotion I see no reason to continue teaching it. I for one see no gratification in paying serious money to watch perhaps the most talented young people out there snarling at me.
  27. 2 points
    Cadets have handled things the right way since everything came to light. Could that statement come with an asterisk in hindsight? Sure. There wasn't precedent for what happened or how to handle it. It's like being a parent. You can always look back at specific things and probably find a better solution to things. But overall, I think they did a pretty good job at doing what they had to do this year which is moving forward. It's going to take years to rebuild. The first job when a warship is damaged is to get it back to port and make it safe to sail...not to make it pretty again. Give Cadets time. I've never been one to say "I love the Cadets" including when I was marching corps. But man you gotta give them props for moving the needle in the best direction they could.
  28. 2 points
    Dare I say that the Cadets are the cradle of drum corps from the ‘80’s, ‘90’s, and early 2000’s. Look at all the people who wore maroon and gold who are innovating in the activity today. It’s amazing to think about.
  29. 2 points
    Played pipe band for 10 years. Can’t wait to hear them with shotgun mics. Mike
  30. 2 points
    Ya! Let's go back to color guard doing nothing but drop spins. It's oh so entertaining. If you don't like guard integration, might I suggest getting your music heavy fix from a symphony, jazz group, or rock show.
  31. 2 points
    been building this way for a while
  32. 2 points
    You sir, or madam, win the grand prize. I've been thinking the same thing for some time, but just haven't had the energy to participate in the debate that is sure to follow.
  33. 1 point
    With the shift in emphases in movement and musical styles during recent seasons, new ways of expression are required to assist the communication on the adjudication tapes and competitive critique comments to align these with the new realities. In fact so much of the current vocabulary of assessment and evaluation pre-date DCI’s beginnings in 1972 of the previous century; their continued use may tinge the roster of 136 DCI judges (https://www.frontensemble.com/judges) as dated and even stodgy to the new mms, designers and faculty hip on moving past traditions and military-based manners to these new realities of field performance. These newer terms are derived from other sciences or as DCI terms them, Strategic Partners in the activity. To prepare for 2020 and beyond, to ready one’s self for the future Rules Congress discussions, and to appear erudite, relevant, and astute to the hordes at marching band and winter indoor contests before the next DCI season, now is not too soon to consider and integrate these new judging terms into one’s everyday conversations. DCP posters, Reddit roosters, and dinosaurs of all eras wishing themselves to appear current, contemporary, intellectual and aware would best approach the new language skills as if tackling SAT’s, ACT’s, GRE’s or M-Cats. Here are a few to trial. Certainly there will be more. 1. Ecdysis refers to the constant change of garb by mms during performance shedding one set of clothing (whether deemed uniform or costume) much like a snake sloughing its skin. Similar to the advent of the constant change of flash flags by guards in the 1980’s and after, corps in the Cesario-Carlson era/error molt their vesture as if the audience has A.D.D. and grows weary of viewing the same wears every few steps. The Strippers of Atlanta did this no less than 3X during their 2019 performance while many other corps such as Colts and Jersey Surf appeared to change only twice. Interestingly, SCV, Crown. Bloo, BAC and Cavaliers did not succumb to ecdysis which may account to their higher placements; the Allentown unit reverted to dysecdysis as the season progressed and disregarded the shedding which marked their early contests. Certainly there are some who believe that a Berry or Miller outfit should never molt. 2. Tonic immobility as a visual term refers to the paralysis of movement (oft termed Staging) as opposed to the free-flowing of formations and drill. It replaces the BITD terms of “Park and Play” and “Park and Bark.” When the term is used musically, it would refer to each musical arrangement sounding like all the others the unit performs. 3. Thanatosis is a term relating to “playing dead” (think Will Pitts ending Regiment’s ‘08 Spartacus and his age-out performance.) Thanatosis may also refer to the groveling on the ground and inability to stand on one’s feet which marks many of the “acting” efforts of today’s units. Obsequies often follow particularly when championship scores are announced. This is not always good. 4. Sisyphean task connotes the endless pushing of props across the field particularly when done by musicians to hide that they are not playing their instruments while the props are moved. Like Sisyphus these efforts may be relentless but mark the hubris of the designer, not that of the marching member who would prefer to be a musician. The adjudicator and audience is to be distracted by the transit of the prop, a fete the front ensemble has mastered and excelled before and after every practice and performance. However, the front ensemble cannot be everywhere. 5. Urban vistas refers to the cluttering of the green fields with tarps and props such that the grass and turf no longer is considered venerable green spaces for the environment but, like the cement cities of the metropolis, are doted with columns, buildings, faux-mountains, and other constructed objects hindering the natural view. Like builders fitting as many buildings on postage stamp lots as possible, bigger is not always better. Beware if your designer lives in a city and has never seen a panorama not suitable for cementing or camouflaging. 6. Sonic filigree are those amazing exercises of masterful technique inserted into the score of a nice melody or lyrical piece to show off the talent and skill a horn line, arranger, battery or front ensemble wish you to acknowledge no matter whether the beauty of the piece is interrupted or disrupted. Sonic filigree is not necessary to the piece but sometimes is more memorable. When this is done electronically, it is known as white noise. 7. Stationary front is similar to its cousin in meteorology: that is something that is stuck in place. Most often it will refer to a horn line caught in tonic immobility. *** These are the terms I have eked out of the Task Force so far. What others might you have learned???
  34. 1 point
    Well, sure. Do you want me to give it to you or do you want to go get it from Guidestar yourself? If the three years typically found on Guidestar don't satisfy you, I have 990s going back a couple of decades. Don't hold me to this but, if memory serves, a decade ago DCI's top-line revenue was something along the lines or $8million. 2015 it was $11.5mm and 2017, the most recent year, it was $11.75million. There are several measures of growth and the 990s don't show clear indications of how much of gross revenue is passed on to the corps. But the top-line revenue of DCI, absent any debt financing, represents all of what the tour takes in to distribute to the corps (exclusive of the TOC shows which have their own payout schedule of the revenues generated at those shows). I think a reasonable goal would be for that number to be growing significantly through increased exposure and growth of corps, MMs, and paying family and friends. So long as expenses are kept in check, payments to corps would be increasing. It's easy to see increasing fights for an increasing slice of the pie if the pie isn't growing.
  35. 1 point
    We've been discussing this as well in a different thread. I would agree with what you're saying here. Apparently though, the majority of directors and school boards aren't willing to make accommodations for people marching corps. I marched HS band and corps and college and corps and NEVER had an issue.
  36. 1 point
    Winter Guard has certainly helped corps have a yearlong revenue stream. It will help corps recruit better and employ staff year around.
  37. 1 point
    Thanks far as I can remember I’ve never seen what you’ve described but been a few years since at a (DCA) show.
  38. 1 point
    Here's hoping no on BD's staff visits the wrong kind of massage parlor.
  39. 1 point
    We agree on more things than we think! Frightening eh? You make an excellent point here.
  40. 1 point
    Blob-fluttering to a prop and standing/barking is nothing new either. Been done far in to the past (as has choreography in the horn line). The only thing "new" is that mic'ing everybody and their brother let's you IGNORE whether a section or player has been staged properly to be heard. To me that's a WEAKNESS not a strength. My "issue" with blob-flutter if you will is: Both blob-fluttering and drill serve to transition musicians from one "hold/impact" to another. But the drill is far more demanding in between those moments. There's ART in the creation of form to form to effect a restaging. Furthermore it requires far more simultaneous responsibilities from the performer. Lastly you can PLAY while you restage. There's no art in running. I don't care if the flutter technique is uniform or not (in fact it's actually NOT uniform but the fact that there's no "timing" involved makes it extremely difficult to evaluate.) And no one can play and run. At it's heart drum corps is dong difficult things well. When you dilute the hard stuff, the product is weaker.
  41. 1 point
    In order to get some judging benefit of doubt to jump a current finalist, they'll have to program and teach a solid 10th place show, and recruit the talent who can carry it off. 10th will get you 12th, if you're a newbie or trying to regain Finalist status - and even in this case, they'll have to hope that Regiment has another down year or that Mandarins have the same type of programming missteps Academy had following their Finals year.
  42. 1 point
    Actually Leon May and Danny Wiles were doing amazing and very innovative things when each of them was still eligible to march when the age cap was 21. They started a winter guard Anthron (Midwest CGC and WGI) which was quite different from the Steve Brubaker's Cavaliers guard where Danny was a favorite. Leon as a George Zingali underling (with Jeff Sacktig, John Vanderkopf, and Jason DeGroff) were Cadets' alums. Both Leon and Danny took approaches far different from their home corps and far different from what Zingali/Brubaker did at Star of Indiana or Cavaliers or Cadets. Now look at the DCI, WGI, and BOA work Dan @ Avon H.S. and Cavaliers and Leon at Boston Crusaders after Crown, etc. have set as standards.
  43. 1 point
    They are everywhere.. Which makes a Cadet Revival a scary thing for the other corps because alot of great people have a lot of high ranking positions with corps around the top twelve.. What the Cadets are capable of doing this Staff Silly season could disrupt a number of corps.. Not that any of them will leave their positions for the chance at a revival, but you cannot discredit what it means for someone " To Go Home" And be a part of the Alumni that restore the Dominance the corps once enjoyed..
  44. 1 point
    STOP THE VIOLENCE...………………………………………….. I'm sorry, did you say violins or violence? Maybe stop both???????????
  45. 1 point
    Life-sized Goliath figure. Head not included. 1-800-555-4BAC
  46. 1 point
    Ah the predictions thread. Only place where BD gets 3rd or 4th place. LMAO. DO IT UP DEVILS!
  47. 1 point
    actually no. Tresona and other rights holders made sure it was done this way, or DCI would have to keep cutting huge checks for past abuses if not getting sued out of business. the old DVR stuff on the fan network didn't follow the licensing laws, and as a result, DCI ended up cutting a large 6 figure check to pay for past abuses. And they're lucky, that check could have been a lot higher.
  48. 1 point
    Flo has some issues, mostly on customer service. the broadcast has gotten better. licensing fees and rights aint cheap. It's not like DCI and Flo are making millions on the deal.
  49. 1 point
    You're most welcome. It always gets my back up when someone compares what was done in the '70s vs. now and says that what is done now is far more complex (implying more demand) than what was done then. You will get no argument from me that things are, indeed, different. But different doesn't carry with it any greater or lesser demand; both styles are equally difficult, but for different reasons. There's a reason that not just anyone could walk in off the streets and march rifle with 27th Lancers. Or Phantom Regiment. Or Madison Scouts. Or Guardsmen. Or Blue Devils. To name just a few. I'm not sure what rifles ever had to do anything once they stopped guarding the national colors, but IMO that's not the point. Rifles are a unique aspect of the color guard activity. You don't see them used this way in any other discipline other than military. Getting rid of them would strip the activity of yet another element that sets it apart from other movement disciplines. In one way, I agree with you: Sabers work beautifully indoors, but IMO are barely visible outdoors . . . with very few exceptions. So I would keep them for winter guard, but really feel like they should be avoided outdoors. Why have rifles, sabers and flags? It's all about visual interpretation of the music, and how melody and percussion are depicted. Flags work beautifully well depicting melody, while rifles can offer the counterpoint of percussion; sabers often combine the two. And, of course, there's a lot of layering and trading around of all that, and that's the neat thing. Visually we can this rich tapestry of ensemble equipment work that's not available in any other activity. Not to mention the fact that you have people who have trained for years on rifle and saber. Such a rich history and vocabulary of equipment work would be lost if it were eliminated from the activity.
  50. 1 point
    Flashback Central! 2000: Bb's are now legal, Cadets start us off with a bang... Cavaliers lookin awesome! Boston comes out of nowhere! EAST EAST EAST! What's happening to Madison? WOW Southwind's music is great! Glassmen bring new meaning to the word "soloist": Seattle Cascades make finals for the first time in their history! Magic of Orlando breaks the scoring record in Div II, then makes finals in Div I? Cavaliers break 99 and set the new scoring record with their "total package" shows. Something called "DCP" is spawned from hell Blue Devils break Cavaliers' streak with pure peformance... Spirit breaks into finals yielding an Ott flag: Madison breaks back into finals after a 1 year hiatus... Bluecoats and CCrown start creeping up on the pack while Boston and Gmen fall behind... Blue Devils have one hell of a hornline!...And also there's that Scott Dean guy! SCV's "Double Beat" is now a standard DCI tune Blue Knights are back in Finals!! CCrown can play...but can't sing Amps and Voice are legal...there was not much rejoicing... Cadets show signs of going WAAAY out in left field, George Hopkins becomes the devil, and they also tie Cavaliers' record for highest score: Phantom Regiment is everyone's new favorite corps, and for good reason... Crossmen drop out of Finals for a while... Blue Devils still have one hell of a hornline! ...but you can't hear them... ...because... ...YOWZA YOWZA YOWZA!!! Madison is back in the top 6!...but they got beat by a bunch of Bloo guys...? DCI's online webcasts FAIL Phantom Regiment wins Percussion?! Cavaliers continue to dominate. Is that the Bluecoats in 4th place? WHAT on EARTH are the Cadets doing?! Bluecoats beat everyone during the season! They'll finish in the top 3 for sure!!! ... ... Wow Carolina Crown is great! Why hello there Colts! Haven't seen you guys in a while! Thank God Troopers' Drum Major is back in town: What's happening to Madison...again? Cadets...you're great!...but where are you going? The Cavaliers in 3rd PLACE!?!?!?!?! IMPOSSIBLE!!! Spirit and Bones share each others' pain: Where'd the Cascades and Southwind go...? Seriously...WHAT on EARTH are the Cadets doing!?!?! Everyone loves Phantom Regiment FanNetwork is AMAZING!!! Blue Devils look cool in the semi-throwback uniforms...but what the heck is their show about? Carolina Crown is climbin the ladder... Is...is that the Blue Stars?! Crossmen and Madison duke it out for #12 spot... WOW! Phantom's secret ending is AMAZING!!! .025 Electronics????!?!?!? REALLY?!?!?!?! WHAT IS MADISON WEARING??? Crown's uniforms are disgusting, but their corps is amazing. George Hopkins gets some redemption from DCP. Blue Devils are a bore-fest in comparison to their competition. Fortunately they can execute better than their competition. Glassmen aren't in 11th place WOOO!! Troopers and Blue Stars are back in the fray!...but where did Madison go?... Phantom Regiment in 9th place after winning a championship?! BD wins...crowd doesn't seem to approve, but numbers don't lie. Cavaliers drop to 4th. Their lowest placement since 1998 (when they also finished 4th) CCrown is here to stay? Again...what's happening with Madison?...again 2009:
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