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If you’re like me, you’ve been checking DCP constantly these past few weeks to see all the changes happening with World Class corps staffs. Unfortunately, the "Staff merry-go-round" thread is no longer a viable source for any information as it has been derailed by irrelevant topics for 40+ pages. Therefore, I’ve started this thread to be your one-stop shop for staff updates. I will try to update this post as corps continue to share new updates. You can help by posting new updates in this thread as you see them! WORLD CLASS: Academy: 9/10: Design Team and Caption Coordinators 10/30: Percussion Staff Blue Devils: Staff Roster (no formal updates have been published, but their staff roster lists new staff for 2020) Blue Knights: 9/3: Brass Leadership 9/4: Visual Leadership 9/5: Color Guard Leadership 9/6: Percussion Leadership 9/7: Design and Education Leadership Blue Stars: 9/3: Design Team and Caption Heads Bluecoats: 9/5: Instructional, Design, and Production Teams Boston Crusaders: 9/3: Design and Educational Teams Cadets: 9/3: Administrative, Design, and Educational Teams 9/25: Guard Staff 10/28(?): Entire Instructional Staff Carolina Crown: Cavaliers: 10/16: Design Team 10/21: Percussion Team 10/23: Brass Team Colts: 9/3: Music Team 9/4: Music Advisor 9/6: Visual Design Team 9/19: Brass Team 10/1: Visual Instructional Team 10/15: Percussion Team Crossmen: 9/17: Design Staff 9/24: Visual Staff 10/15: Percussion Staff Genesis: 9/17: Design Staff 9/19: Administration, Design Staff, and Caption Heads Jersey Surf: Madison Scouts: 9/6: Design Team 9/10: Director of Recruitment/Music Education Consultant 9/18: Caption Leadership 10/9: Percussion Team 10/18: Color Guard Team 10/24: Visual Team 10/28: Brass Team Mandarins: 9/20: Design and Caption Manager Team Music City: 9/12: Design Team Pacific Crest: 10/24: entire Design and Educational Teams Phantom Regiment: 9/5: Design Team Santa Clara Vanguard: 9/3: Brass Staff 9/4: Corps Director 9/5: Design Team and Caption Leadership Seattle Cascades: 9/3: Corps Director 9/4: Educational Director 9/6: Design Team 9/9: Administrative Staff 9/27: All Instructional Staff Spirit of Atlanta: 9/15: Percussion Staff 9/17: Brass Staff 9/18: Visual and Guard Staffs 10/6: Design Team Troopers: 9/4: Design Team 9/5: Caption Heads 10/23: Visual Staff 10/30: Color Guard Staff 11/11: Percussion Staff You can also view all these updates in this corps staff tracker article posted on DCI’s website. Let’s try to keep this thread focused to staff changes—tangential discussions are free to be held in their own separate threads!

As a homer to absolutely no one, I see the Hop thing as being about Hop, who is gone, and the other stuff seems like the sort of thing that could happen to any corps. It's possible that the scrambling they had to do to put things together with new people in a stressful time may have left them a little vulnerable to not catching or preventing every possible problem, but that's about the extent of it. If I had a child who wanted to march, I would see them as no less likely to be safe with the Cadets than any other world class corps. I would probably be more worried about the practical and emotional impact of all this demonization of their organization and the zeal with which some people seem to have for harming it.

Thank You!!!

Pioneer did not follow the steps they were told to follow, hence the suspension. Cadets basically put sn entire new admin in place that satisfied the terms of their probation.

I love you, Fran. Reread your first sentence. Brenda would want you to reread it. 😂 😂

Lol if you’ve seen the movie MASH with Sutherland and Gould at the beginning Hawkeye steals a Jeep. He gets to 4077 and Major Blake asks if the Jeep is stolen. When told yes his response is “well change the serial number”. Whole theatre laughs except for dad. Then he tells me “I remember doing that ####”. Nothing like watching a Korean War movie/show with a KW vet. 😳

So nice of you to take the time to do this. Thanks!

I have few hobbies. Pissing people off on here who think a post count is an insult is one of them

It's possible to do good works without being a missionary.

We don't even have corroboration that the plaintiff's version is accurate, so to conflate how Cadets allegedly handled the injury of a volunteer adult with how they'd potentially take care of a MM, let alone a minor one, is hyperbolic and misplaced. Many want to be outraged at everything, especially when piling on is easy due to year-old circumstances hovering.

my nephews 9 year old travel baseball team ended up running over $2 grand...and they didn't get housing or meals included.

I'm too lazy to go back in the thread to find the convo about recruiting at band shows, but Caballeros will be at at least four, starting this Saturday at our brass caption head's school, and including the Allentown college band show and prob the MetLife BOA (?) event. We'll have current and recent members, with video and info, as well as an (alleged, at least - It's me this weekend 🤣 ) adult, in case parents have questions. Just pointing out that most corps do this, at least at a couple shows.

Rutgers did not lose. They had the weekend off.

As for strike one, I'm pretty sure the current count is never supposed to include pitches to previous batters, let alone previous seasons, let alone players who haven't been on the team for two years. As for strikes 2 and 3, you called them more quickly, conveniently, and joyfully than Leslie Nielsen as the umpire in Naked Gun.

Now thats the most important word

Got it. edited. Not good. LOL

The emotional support Llama I got is helping.

To be fair, that was more of a pre-existing stress fracture than "run and gun" drill which precipitated the injury. While in hindsight it's clear he shouldn't have been marching in that condition, I'm not sure the seriousness of his condition was fully appreciated at the time. I agree with the sentiment that high-velocity drill is far less dangerous than large vertical drops off precarious props. The attempt to equivocate the two is -- to say the least -- a big reach. The risk in drill are mostly bumps and bruises from collisions. The risk from a fall is immensely greater. The risk from a collapse with many students simultaneously dancing on the same prop is exponentially higher.

As Guardling said, each mm is open to injury from other mm around them, especially during ST and early in the season. When climbing a prop or moving around inside a prop, to me, a mm is on their own with very little interference from other mm. Their not rock climbing. Their is usually many places to grab on to or step on to.

I see what you are saying . AS far as drill , drill also depends on not just 1 performer but all around them.....BUT I think it can take way more creativity to incorporate a prop to make sense in the theme and have effect. The art has changed..for the better? maybe, for some maybe not BUT it has changed to some degree. I believe more changes are on the horizon. If it keeps the activity alive and interests the MMs then I'm all for it. As far as risk, everything we do out there can be a risk. AS I said injury is injury and sometimes affects the member for a long time For me it also takes a lot of creativity to reshape a football field. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion and their own personal likes and dislikes....jmo

My emotional support Llama just told me to start supporting everything you said from now on. Great family name!

I'm not an engineer unless I set the Lionel up around the Christmas Tree.

Present perfect tense.

Back to the original topic since this got derailed into a discussion on props..... I don't think anyone is arguing that the accident that occurred here with the plaintiff was anything but an accident. However the thing that looks not only bad but horribly bad and shows a severe lack of empathy and leadership on the part of the corp administration at the time was how they handled the situation. IF it went down as stated. To dump the person at the hospital and neither follow up with them to see if they are ok or make sure they made it back home safely is totally inexcusable. Is this how they would treat a marching member? If I were a parent of a current or future member I would be asking that question.

I ve seen some pretty nasty injuries teaching over the years and I will have to disagree. They can be very serious as well as damaging for a long time if not life. Can there be just as many on props? sure but to say one is more or less than the other simply isn't true. Even simple marching, How many older people now are suffering from painful knees after years of marching/ MANY, it's the topic of conversation with many who have marched before. Bottom line "IF" a corps chooses to use a giant prop, THEY have to make sure it is safe just as they need to make sure a MM is safe in all aspects from travel, to food to many many things. I am all for MAKING SURE corps do this BUT to lead the charge on this simply because it's an avenue for those who don';t like props ( and I believe there are some who will) is something quite different...YES, SAFETY MUST BE THE FOREFRONT .We do all have to agree with this. I used a prop ( Huge ) that many members were on dancing as far back as the 90s and we made sure each time it was put together properly. It was quite solid, risk? I guess, probably, but even then we had no injuries ( luckily ) BUT had many from drill, a broken nose from a rifle, even a kid who got sliced open with a cymbal. Risk is there in all aspects in what we do, that's for sure. Injury is injury and we don't know what long term is for everyone. Now if we want to create a scenario to fit a narrative we can do that in ALL aspects of just about anything. Could all things happen? of course, the key is safety, education for all and vigilance in all aspects when MMs are in our care. I have heard the argument on props over the years BUT have also heard the argument on how drill was getting ridiculous also. Usually it was easy to see who liked what and who didn't yet defended the other. Would it be awful if a kid ( as has happened fell off ) of course . but just as awful when you have to send a kid home who broke a leg or arm or whatever because of equipment, drill, or a simple mistake that caused injury. No one wants a member injured for any reason or for any effect. NOONE! I do think we are all saying the same thing but for me I'm not justifying or measuring one injury over another. It all counts, especially to the injured. SAFETY 1ST, EDUCATION, TRAINING, VIGILANCE

FTNK said "testicular". 😂 One of my favorite prop shows was BD '14 that looked like a yard sale. 😎

Wow... haven't been on here for several days, and skimming through the past several pages, I can't keep up with the social commentary. And the occasional post about staff changes. LOL. And I thought being a Rutgers football fan was tough.

and until both sides have their day in court, all we know is a suit was field that was written in a way to make the defendant look as bad as possible to help the plaintiffs case. Not saying either side is right or wrong, just saying there's a lot we don't know

It's not as much a matter of whether or not the prop itself is safe, but rather what the members are doing on and around the props that represents the real risk. Inspections.would do nothing to address that.

Injury is an injury, especially one that painful... but I'd say drill has more risks of injury overall, while props have a higher probability of catastrophic injury. Drum corps can never be completely safe, but the props seem to be pushing the envelope

Oh boy. The world drum corps hall of fame. The organization whose membership includes George Hopkins and now George Takei but not George Bonfiglio. What an embarrassment.

Ohio state sucks

Isn’t the off season fun? 😳

I'll start this! Been reading a lot about the impending death of drum corps for a while so I thought I would start a POSITIVE brainstorming post on finding solutions that DCA can or might try to build up the brand. Now the keyword is POSITIVE! GO

Dayton has become a goal for staff and members to perform in the Dayton arena. Members even have a tradition of kissing the wall entering the floor of the arena. Dayton has partnered with WGI to make it work for all involved. There have been other great places in the past like San Diego , Phoenix ( hated Buffalo yeasr ago ) but Dayton is home and a goal. The MMs who compete in other venues strive for that area. Biggest complaints of the past there were seating for members of guards from other classes attending World Class finals which sometimes has been awful, even behind draping but WGI seems to work on those issues as long as the bread and butter guards of A class ( meaning where the money really is ) speak up

much smaller number of attendees for WGI, so fewer complaints. Also, WGI has grown so that "Dayton" can mean anywhere from Cincinnati to Columbus depending where your prelims are being held (several campuses) and where your unit finds practice facilities and housing. Definitely not as costly as Indianapolis.

and Spirit has Tony Teleky as a snare tech now; great, funny guy, former Cadets' center snare several seasons back, a Duke grad.

Sutathesaurus? What kind of a name is that? Oops - get ready for the off-topic police.

LOL

While not being all red, there were multiple times when they had red as part of the uniform...the latest being 2017 with the red accent

Yeah Pouncey is the new BD at Ashley Ridge HS in Summerville if I’m not mistaken. I can’t wait to see what he does with that program. The school split from a very strong Summerville HS band program a little over a decade ago so his cupboard should be pretty full as far as talent is concerned.

Prop designs probably should be reviewed, approved, and stamped by a structural engineer prior to construction Once built and constructed they should be inspected by OSHA for compliance with all applicable OSHA standards. Since many props are assembled, disassembled and transported throughout the season, another inspection most likely should be scheduled during the season just like carnival and amusement park rides are for safety. Surprised no one has filed under whistleblower guidelines to date for violating Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSH Act), Section 11(c).

I like the idea of regionals becoming "Prop Inspections Sites", but I believe if you want a mechanical engineer to certify that a prop is safe, then DCI or the Corps should be prepared to pay the engineer for that certification. I have a brother-in-law who is a civil engineer in southern California. He has the credentials & licenses required to inspect buildings after an earthquake & declare whether they are safe or not. He charges $ for this service, but he is also the one who will be sued if he makes a mistake, a building collapses, & people get injured. It should work the same way with prop inspections in DCI. If you want a professional opinion on the safety of a prop, be prepared to pay the professional.

Only 11 posts and this may have been their first topic. Not a good start. But then again, they did mention they have to go to OSU.

I'd rather quality over quantity. I'd rather see 15-20 quality products instead of 30-40 good but not excellent ones. The times are different now than in the 70s and 80s and so are the demographics of those who participate in DCI. I'm not sure a regional model would really succeed because of that. Is there enough interest for it? Do enough people care about marching band to make an extensive regional structure successful? My Opinion is that it will dilute the product and that those calling for it seem to be suffering from a case of nostalgia

Are the Cadets a safe organization? For me this is strike 3. Between the Hopkins situation, the member on member rape allegation and now this, one has to question whether the Cadets are a safe organization to send your child to. For me, its all about optics, which right now is poor at best. Just because the Cadets administration has changed again, there is no proof that they would be any better at managing the corps than the last 2. If Pioneer was suspended and not allowed to compete because of their treatment of members and staff, Cadets should also be suspended from competition until all allegations have been cleared in the courts. If DCI is truly serious about the safety of all those involved in the activity, maybe punishing one of the big names will force all the other corps to take the new safety policies seriously. This includes the ridiculous props that do nothing to but possibly cause serious injuries.

How so? Corps already turn away many who audition, at today's costs. A summer of DCI is a very good deal as opposed to activities like Interlochen summer music camps. Soundsport groups are springing up, and they cost much less than WC competitive corps. That plus the occasional new Open class corps. World Class corps are there for the elite. That is true. But, it is supposed to be the very top of the marching/music food chain, with thousands of bands at varying levels making up what used to be hundreds of smaller class 'B' corps.

before we draw conclusions it might be best to let it play out...