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As an alumnus who donates I'd rather have the corps fold than enable a sexual predator.

Actually Hop broke it by his own actions. I’m surprised you can’t see that. Oh wait. No, I’m not surprised.

How did you know my shopping list?????

I wonder what they're playing this year.

along with the 12 inch slices of bread !!

Thank you, comrade.

And the BD will still be favored.

There was a culture of deviant behavior (for the time) that was practiced and openly flaunted for decades among his staff. It takes willful negligence to claim otherwise. I put the blame in the correct place despite his enablers. He, specifically he, couldn't rise above that culture to see such deviant behaviors had no place in the job he chose. I don't think you mean to nit-pick; I didn't say it was an open secret that he had a deviant side, only that the culture was out in the open along with the affiliated behaviors by several of his staff. Narcissist? Bully? Verbally assaulting? Physically assaulting? Yes, all of those. And no throttle nor self control.

"...may..."? It was all around him, all the time, and it was an open secret among his staff. Strong, moral, and willful people rose above it. He was none of those.

Yes. The G7 proposal was an example. The Executive Board not only had its action overturned, but also had two members replaced by the full membership in their special meeting via teleconference less than a week later.

The "executive board" is what DCI now call their Board of Directors. Explanation: In the early years of DCI, the member corps directors were, literally, the DCI "board of directors". As membership grew to over 20 corps, it became cumbersome to herd that many cats together to perform all the BoD functions. A smaller committee of roughly nine people was formed to make more frequent meetings practical. This committee was called the Executive Committee. Many of the more mundane BoD functions were delegated to this Executive Committee, while major procedural issues such as voting on rules remained with the full board of member corps directors. Whether official or not, the DCI Executive Committee was often referred to as the "Executive BoD" or "Executive Board". Fast-forward to the present. The body of member corps directors is no longer referred to as a "board of directors". What was the Executive Board is now simply called the DCI Board of Directors. It is still made up of roughly nine people, still does most of the BoD functions, but major procedural issues such as voting on rules still remain with the full body of member corps directors.

Guess it’s at CostCo, BJs or any other Bulk item place you can buy a 55 gallon drum of peanut butter...,

https://www.delish.com/food-news/a29800556/99-pack-of-pbr/

Only if you leave in “Soviet bloc”. 😂🤣

“May” because I can’t quantify the amount they contributed. I don’t think he would have turned into the good Christmas Elf if he had shop set up in a convent.

But jonwoody did say "2 schlitz". For me, that makes it twice as hard to make your trade.

EXACTLY.

Pretty easy to make non-corroborated accusations against straw men.

What does one thing have to do with another? Hopefully nobody was saying "We'll remove the sexual predator as long as we have enough donations afterwards"

"And when I was in Crown BITD, the snakes we had at Spring Training at Gardner-Webb were this big!!!"

Certainly there is a long list of considerations, but someone else will need to help you figure that out I’m exhausted.

I was giving the protocol from when I was on field committee. I'll take your word that it was different in 2002 when I was in Europe doing post-doc work. Odd that Belding had a score but Dayton didn't.

Fair enough. The "specifics": member minimum is a contest rule. Contest rules are subject to a rule change process which takes place every two years per a set schedule, and ultimately requires ratification from the full body of voting member corps directors. No such vote has yet taken place on either of these changes (from 30 to 55 members minimum, or for the new higher minimum of 110 for WC). Regardless, they are being published on DCI.org as part of their revised Policies and Procedures. DCI is breaking their own rules in doing this. So you object to the "deep state" characterization. What would you prefer to call it when some subset of organizational governance oversteps their authority?

me too!

The member minimum is a written rule. Written rules apply to every contest. This is clearly false. I already gave an example of counting being done at an early-season show in 2002. If that is not sufficiently convincing, then consider Spirit of Newark in 2010. They appeared at six shows, three of which became exhibition performances: 7/17 Groton, CT - 53.8 7/24 Warrenton, VA - 52.4 8/3 Erie, PA - exhibition 8/6 Greendale, WI - exhibition 8/7 Belding, MI - 58.65 8/8 Dayton, OH - exhibition I witnessed one of these performances myself, noticing that they were under 30 members. Sure enough, they were not scored that day.

based on some stuff i saw on social media, Surf had 200+ kids show up

not just the judging. it can infect the decision making at all levels, especially when justified as "for the kids"

Back in the day, I would gladly trade Schlitz for Pabst.

Thank you my friend. I'm having a blast writing this - some really fun memories, crazy times!!! 🙂 https://therenegadejournal.home.blog

Sorry, not worth the insults I will get. I had a great day with the Cadets...that is all.

Say what you want. Not opening myself to the trashing I will certainly receive for saying anything positive about the Cadets.

Just returned from Cadets camp. It was a good experience with some nice surprises.

People in this thread need to grow up!

Opens thread ::backs away slowly:::

Use the multiquote button, boomer.

I'm sorry...but I'm a fan, former DCI and DCA MM and part of the "entire drum corps world." And truth be told, I'm getting a little old. But for the life of me, I don't remember feeling betrayed by the fact that the Scouts decided to bring in female MM's or electing you as "official DCI mouthpiece." Thanks for speaking for all of us though... 🙄

Hi Keith, This OP has read each reply with interest. While I don't intend to return to the Ogden Event I have considered how to selectively participate to bring some of my (perhaps wrong) understanding of how to add reinforcement to a sound. I operate on the premise that you can't reinforce a sound unless you can record the sound. What I mean is to accomplish the 2 tasks separately. First learn how to record a certain sound. Second premise is you can't reinforce a sound unless you can playback the recorded sound. I think it is a ratcheted learning experience..., if you get better at recording you get better at playback, you get better at recording and so on. You need to separably record each thing you desire to reinforce. Reinforcement is not the same as record/playback, but lessons learned in record/playback are useful for reinforcement. I think that "recorded music is like canned sushi", in fact I made lapel buttons with that quote of mine for a 2000 convention. You can't do it!, really it can't be done. But there is a huge difference between pet food and Albacore. With the IsoMike experiments I simply wanted to get closer to Albacore. Next, work out how to reinforce a single sound before moving to reinforcing more than a single sound.

I have a feeling we are in for a treat from phantom regiment in 2020. I think they are aiming for a 2003 like year.

Admirable. But clearly you weren't one of those who promised to come through with sizable donations to ensure the corps keep running well. And then didn't.

But still considered an elite corps so would not be checked.... that was my point