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And the latest from PR2020. I’m excited about the level of commitment from the board!

This thread keeps following the cycle of someone implying that something could have happened, then people getting angry over The Cadets hiding the fact that something did happen without ever connecting the dots between could and did.

I believe a large issue with many posters on this thread is a significant amount of skepticism that things are improving and a forward plan for success (and righting of the cadets ship) is happening. Continuing to say “the truth” will be released does nothing to ease that doubt. What has occurred is so devastating to some, the level of trust for some to step up and say “here is my donation and what more can I do to help” is hard to overcome. Being more communicative (Cadet leadership) and more transparent might bring more support from the skeptics. Of course the information should be managed as there are a lot of legal hurdles to deal with, but better communication beyond “just wait, you’ll see” is necessary. The many posters and alums who are supportive imo, deserve more. People in general want to help. Given the opportunity. Just my opinion. Continued best wishes.

Heck yea! I am a Navy Chief. Almost 23 years in. Retiring next year at 24.

I wish they had the same format to post photos that they do on the DrumScorps app. It’s easy on there.

Has instructional staff griped or is stuff being thrown at the wall to see what sticks? picturing a roulette wheel or dart board being used to decide where to point the finger tomorrow. Biggest thing I see going downhill is credibility and I don’t mean Cadets If you don’t like what a corps is doing then don’t join or donate $$$. Don’t let it become an obsession....

the original yes-man stacked board did NOT fire Hopkins. The new board did. The old board were hand selected and approved by GH - everything I understand now is that there was zero oversight. DCI should insist on independent boards at all member corps

Very valid point. I always loved retreat though. Something about being on that field really brings back the true meaning behind DCI. Loved it in DCA as well.

Britts' first show was similar questions LOL. Those and commentary on 1. Jackets in the summer, 2. Confusing drummer terminology, 3. 'Souvies," 4. A question about the term "Throwing Babies" and 5. A brilliant (if not somewhat alcohol fueled) rant on "why would you have big prop 'thingies' if you aren't going to do anything with them?" Not bad for a first timer...

You need to step back for a while and relax and find something else to do for a week or two. Info will be released when they are ready not when you want it.

No thanks needed. I do it cause I love my country and love leading, mentoring, training and developing my Sailors. But you are very welcome Ms Terri. BTW.......I am a Chief not a Sir. I work for a living LMAO.

Yeah, he’s ok for a BD honk! 😉

Thank you, sir.

He is a Marine.

Looking forward to the show and tell tomorrow. I wish I could post pics here but I’m too old to figure that out 😭😜 My son sent pics of his new horn and the new horns of others. They are working hard, and I am excited to hear more than warmups tomorrow! Drama or not, the kids have great energy. Looking forward to a great year with the Scouts.

I can’t repeat my alcohol-fueled rants.

Probably not the best choice for a snarky meme given the org's recent history. But hey, you do you.

Not necessarily "loans" in the traditional sense. But DCI owes corps money each season and many corps owe DCI money each year if the present shows during the season, buy blocks of tickets for resale, etc. It could be very plausible that DCI granted an org and extension to pay what they owed, which some might call a "loan"

What do you mean "ghost" of Carmine?

If it is true, I would not be surprised. Look at what they'd been through in the past few years. It's not something they can get over in a year. I just hope they figure out the entire situation and keep the corps thriving. Donation is key and I'll continue to donate.

YEA had to borrow money from DCI last year and DCI said hey unless you pay us back, you can't compete in 2020 and then they have been going back and forth trying to negotiate a deal and a repayment schedule for like four months. A lot happened at the DCI meetings and I guess there is a framework in place but it isn't completely GREEN LIGHTS yet.

dad always causes problems at band shows. true story.....i'm judging an indoor show, and he sits right next to the roped off section. Chuck Saia ia the chief so you know write fast, talk fast, he wants to get the show over. so a group finishes, jot down score, quick notes,new tape in hit record and start intro....to my right comes "Jesus they were dirty as hell!!!" hit stop, rewind, "dad i'm working here...."...restart intro. only Wally

Best one ever!

The bus company? The Bank? The artist? The food company? The fuel bill? The DCI loan? Just throwing all the babies in there so no, single "harmed" party is given an advantage in either sympathy or settlement. The corps is going through financial he11 thanks ONLY to the the actions of a single man and an absent "Board", they're arranging for their own survival above all else and the protagonist of their pain needs only to drag it out to cost the corps money in hopes of breaking his very creation so no one else can get it. Instructional staff have eyes they had wide open. They, along with all the rest, signed on knowing full-well the risks they took. "Instructional Staff" should put their big-boy pants on and wish for the best for the corps instead of themselves. Sometimes, some need reminding that "it's not about you" this time".

Go Madison Scouts! See you soon Conner, enjoy your dream!

There are no issues at all with one NP lending money to another. Wasn't there some discussion about Cadets inquiring about borrowing from other corps? That would be the same idea (NP to NP). That said, DCI is, or has been, a "bank" to almost every corps in one way or another. It's TOTALLY not unusual that Cadets "borrowed" (that term is being used too loosely here, IMO) money from DCI last year, but it is unusual for a corps with Cadets' gravitas to not be able to pay it back when expected. And I would think that it's even possible that Cadets wouldn't necessarily have to pay it back before they can join the tour. The point is to see Cadets survive, not kill them calling in a debt at an unnecessary time. "DCI" is the corps' combined interest and, therefor, Cadets "borrowing" was coming from the other corps through the vehicle of DCI's financial capacity, such that it is. I'm highly confident that not a single one of them wants to be THE one to "call" the loan and force Cadets into an untenable situation. The "Bank of DCI" is not run by Wall St or JPMorgan.

Like their instructional staff?

Wow .. so many newbie trolls showing up. Tis the season I suppose.

Eventually, many of them wind up in the world of call centers. I actually have to go to engrish.com now just to be surprised.

Agree it would be cool, but it would mess up the current travel mode of load & go right after performance.

it's also (apparently) hard to wait until the "truth" is released from the people IN THE KNOW

You have my condolences...I'm from San Diego and had the Chargers and Padres (except for the too-brief glory of the Air Coryell years). However...there IS a drum corps connection with the Lions. Former center Travis Swanson I(2014-17) is the son of BD alum Todd Swanson (82 euph, 83 DM, 84-85 vizh staff....also a Trooper 76-79 and 81)

So which are you?

You’re despicable

What’s not true? Some of it or all of it? Yea borrowed money? DCI threatened no compete? Negotiating repayment for past 4 months? A framework in place from DCI meetings? No green light yet (whatever that refers to)? Asking for a friend. Keeping positive thoughts for Cadets.

Some of these posts are reminding me of an experience I had last summer. It was the Saturday afternoon just before finals. I needed a haircut. Sitting next to me was a young man and young woman who marched with Shadow. Great kids. Both entering their senior year of high school. Both shared the colleges they were applying to, one being Boston College, and as a BC “wannabe” I approved. The young man loves old school drum corps. His favorite old school show? 2008 Phantom Regiment. He would have been a Kindergarten graduate that summer!

Going back to the days of GH,there were people touting their trust in The Cadets' Management Team and criticizing people making cynical comments about the organization. You obviously you have enough personal involvement with the Cadets to trust the current management team. I don't have that level of involvement.I can only rely on what The Cadets put out for the public. Unfortunately,so far that hasn't been very much. There was previous post saying information on what The Cadets were doing would be forthcoming. I hoping that,when they do "open up", the concerns of people like me,are addressed and I can finally trust the organization again.

LOL!!! In 2014 when my niece (and goddaughter) got married, she called me out to the dance floor for a "special song" for us to dance to. World-class chop-buster that she is... it was an REO Speedwagon tune.

Yes but Crown Imperial. Yum. 🥰

Let me guess. You once had a bad breakup and when you hear a REO Speedwagon song it triggers your memory. Maybe the old girlfriend particularly liked REO Speedwagon, or it was playing when she broke up with you. Oh wait. That’s me.

They can build in some 16th note runs ala Suncoast Sound’s “Get Me To The Church On Time.” Ugh I just shuddered thinking about that, all these years later.

Re layering of body -well the skin is on the outermost layer, with muscles under that followed by the bone layer. If talking abdomen there is also the 'innards' layer (to use the technical term).

That's why I had a problem from the start of the amplification nonsense, with some dude way off the field making decisions about half the sound coming off the field. It's no longer "for the kids," it's mostly about marketing for sound equipment retailers.

I am sure the kids will lineup to carry a marching timpani,

Even in ‘79, 27th was top of the pack with synced quints. Now 7s and 8s aren’t too uncommon. Look at BD’s opener last year ... were those 8s or 9s in sequence over the doors? And they were clean AF. And they didn’t even win the Zingali! The talent in today’s guards is unbelievable!

Without spending some enjoyable time watching several of the older shows (thanks Brian Smith), I don't think many of the guards tossed 7's. Never mind what else the guard mm are also doing while tossing currently.

I got to go to their January camp show and tell this morning, some very interesting and exciting stuff. They seem to be going after a mix of very recognizable music as well as more obscure stuff. Also some very interesting plans for at least one part of their show, something I'm not sure has really been done to the extent they are attempting. They also sound great. Should be a very exciting season!

except none of this is anything other than internet chatter at this point

That one is great. I think it's their 1979 show... in about a one-minute span near the end, they do three classic Troopers visuals... the Sunburst, the rifles around the drum major, and the rifle toss over the flags. And the audience is going nuts!!!