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  1. From their first statement on 01/09/22, I think SOA's handling of this situation through their social media can only lead to one conclusion. They were counting on the "Asteroid 7482" to strike somewhere on the planet earth. 😬🧐
    7 points
  2. Some days, I’m rooting for the asteroid. 🤣
    6 points
  3. DCI, as policy currently stands, would be a reach for any civil case to tag in a significant way under circumstances like what are being discussed. On the SOA front specifically, the plaintiffs would have to show that DCI was made aware of the situation and did nothing to stop it at such a time as they could have, which the information on the part of the reporter of the incidents doesn't claim to be the case. I suspect one of the reasons why DCI's legal advisors recommend NOT having the corps required to report these cases is to maintain a layer of separation on that front. As set up, DCI has a very limited power to interfere with the internal workings of any of their affiliated organizations. Ethically correct? Questionable. Legally sound? Yup. The failures being reported are very much in the purview of the individual organizations, not at the DCI level. I'm not hearing or seeing any issues related to harassment or problems going un-addressed* at Blue Devils. Same with Boston. Same with Blue Stars, Mandarins, Colts, Crown,etc. The majority of the organizations are being proactive in fostering a positive environment and culture, and seem to be succeeding in heading off problems and/or addressing them appropriately if and when something comes up. * not that they don't have issues of individuals behaving inappropriately or bringing baggage to the tour that negatively affects others - just that they're stepping in to resolve the issues in a timely fashion, which is what would have saved SOA from the self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the face they endured.
    4 points
  4. BSA filed bankruptcy and has mortgage their biggest asset. They are still operational but hurting big time. DCI would not survive at all. Abuses will always occur at some frequency and the answer isn’t to stop all forms of youth activity. But the corps have a duty to implement best practices for prevention and to follow up appropriately when issues do occur.
    4 points
  5. I voted for the asteroid in the last presidential election.
    4 points
  6. I’m watching 1883 now. Seeing how they ended up in Montana.
    3 points
  7. Ozark will help fill the gap while waiting a year for the next season of Yellowstone ❤️
    3 points
  8. if you wait for the 4 count break in the music you can yell their name
    3 points
  9. The same DCW that posted a story about guys peeking into the girls locker room while on tour in early 1980s?
    3 points
  10. I’m thinking there is only one top 5 corps with a female director?
    3 points
  11. National News You're the editor on the national desk of a newspaper. First thing, it's likely your newspaper, like every other newspaper in the land, is a husk of its former self. The newsroom is emptied out. You're operating on fumes. Are you going to send the scarcest resources you've ever had across the country to cover a story about a niche activity involving an organization no one outside of its neighborhood has heard of? To 99.99% of the country -- and probably 75% of the Bay Area -- "Blue Devis" means Duke University. Second thing, why this incident with this musical group? What's happening there that isn't already happening (and has been covered) in Scouting, the church, sports programs, major universities, the entertainment industry, even public schools? What's new here? (Update: See, e.g., this NYT story posted Jan. 19, followed the next day by this other NYT story). Sorry to be crass about it, but assaults happen every day in many settings. What's especially "newsy" about this one? These are real questions that real editors ask. No, unless abuse incidents in DCI are so widespread, so common, so everyday and endemic that it is an abuse category apart from all other institutions, it's hard to see how it rises to be national news. The biggest splash this story is likely to make is of the type we've already seen in the Philadelphia Inquirer -- a major metro with a corps in its own market. Disposable Resources It's entirely possible that there is a mom and a dad out there who: have a child who has been a victim of assault have the resources to pursue a civil case to its conclusion are motivated by principle only, not by the prospect of a settlement, because your average drum corps has a balance sheet that very likely amounts to less than the number of dollars you seek and will spend pursuing the case. If they were to sue, they almost certainly would do so in the knowledge that victory would not merely punish the corps in hopes of reform, but that it would sue the corps out of existence. What are the odds that all three of these dice will roll out exactly this way? Maybe better than ever given today's litigious and wired society. But still, on the whole, very remote, it seems to me. Could they pursue a criminal case instead? They can ask for one, but that decision will be made by the district attorney. The family's resources don't enter into the equation.
    3 points
  12. As Illianalancercontra mentions, this training is in response to the issues and lawsuits BSA faced/faces. Nothing wrong with learning from those who’ve been through the same problems and using the tools that they have established. Simply having the training won’t solve all the problems but the training combined with procedures and policies that are followed and enforced will significantly reduce the number of future issues. The corps need to foster an environment of prevention first and then being swift and thorough to take appropriate actions when issues do arise.
    3 points
  13. BSA, having lost multiple lawsuits, had to put this training into place or they wouldn’t be able to exist any longer. For some reason DCI doesn’t see that they are in the exact same place BSA was before the lawsuits & criminal investigations began.
    3 points
  14. Irony is so... ironic. This coming from the BSA and what not.
    3 points
  15. Sure, but at this point everyone associated with the corps needs to be replaced or it would be much better for them to just fold. New board, new management, new staff, everyone should go. The staff members who had the decency to resign over this are the only ones who should be considered for employment in the 2023 season. Sounds like a few HoF memberships should be revoked as well while they're at it.
    3 points
  16. That J&J case lives on as perhaps the textbook example on how corporate PR should deal with a "bad news" situation. Get all the facts out there... take full, unequivocal responsibility... and clearly lay out what the organization will be doing to make things right.
    3 points
  17. In my opinion, this thread has run its course.
    2 points
  18. When I finish yelling at this cloud & my neighbor's kid, I'll get on the 'googler' to figure out these names.
    2 points
  19. oh man can you imagine discovery? my hope is somewhere in Indy and at various corps directors offices/residences around the country, there are a whole lot of sphincters tightening up, and finally starting to get serious about this
    2 points
  20. The twin’s mother really took charge though. She’s amazing.
    2 points
  21. Season 2 episode 5 of CHEER should send out a clarion call for ALL youth organizations...hard to sit through but necessary..peace
    2 points
  22. Agree that touring is the problem. I do not see drum corps continuing with the old tour formats. There was certainly some cool show stuff happening in 2021 both in Indy and via some of the artistic productions I saw- but no way is it reasonable to have a 14 year old travelling around the country on a bus with 21 year olds sharing showers and all of that. It just isn't going to work anymore in this day and age. So we can wait around for another shoe to drop or just put the old model out to pasture.
    2 points
  23. I sort of want this. I was happy to see what they did this past summer. Had the feel of SOA starting a good comeback. Sort of. If their plan is to use the year to go through the motions, and hopeful the attention and criticisms diminish, then no thanks. Iconic or not, I'd rather not see them on the field. I am petty, however. I like Bluecoats shows but can never see them take the field without remembering a couple of episodes related to arrogant, rude staff members in the stands.
    2 points
  24. Should mix Holst and John Adams… mash up of Fugal Overture and Short Ride in a Fast Machine.
    1 point
  25. 1883 is pretty good! Mayor of Kingstown and Longmire are also good fillers.
    1 point
  26. That idiot behind the burner account is at it again with his doxing. Interesting new comment made. I wonder if SoA will answer all his questions. Other than that, I think things have calmed down.
    1 point
  27. Fortunately, it is a movie, not a series.
    1 point
  28. I’ll try to get to that soon but Ozark is coming back Friday.
    1 point
  29. Oh good! I can give another Netflix recommendation. “Don’t Look Up.”
    1 point
  30. 1 point
  31. This, my friend, is exactly right. I've been thinking a lot the past week. One of my students was SO excited to march Spirit this season, but I'm SO glad he'll not be involved with them this season. I'm a band director. And I find myself thinking how I would react to one of these situations happening on my band bus during a long trip. I realized I would be 100% fine if my program was gutted of all bad actors and I was left with three or four kids if it meant that they were safe and they had a great learning experience going forward. Because... this activity is worth saving. But no individual corps is sacred; corps must earn the public's trust again. And trust takes time and hard work. If that means DCI goes away, fine. If 90% of the corps fold, fine. But the marching arts, and drum corps in particular, can be run well. We just have to get down to business and do it.
    1 point
  32. One of our own.Sounds like an old BD ballad .
    1 point
  33. Yep. I’m not real in-the-know so I may be incorrect here. I’ve heard that the original part of Philmont is protected by the grant/conditions from the gift that have the land to BSA. But it sounds like they later purchased a lot more land and that part is now mortgaged. Again, just third hand or further removed info.
    1 point
  34. Posted this in another thread last a response but will repeat here: just keep thinking that a SoA member had been doing offensive things for years and the corps was told about it. Yet they let him back in the corps year after year. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
    1 point
  35. The two I know, being BSA Explorer Posts, I believe use BSA insurance which is there reason for being BSA groups. That insurance used to be like $2 per member but I think it’s $30-40 per member now (based on my BSA connections).
    1 point
  36. Beat me to saying it. Question will DCI and the corps do the same before the lawsuits and PR killing arrests start.
    1 point
  37. The two DCI corps I am most familiar with are technically BSA Explorer Posts. As such, volunteers (for periods > 1 day) are required to complete BSA’s Youth Protection Training (YPT). I hope that this is also required of corps staff. Some BSA Troops also have the kids go through the training. I think corps should have all members go through this training. Of course, it also means the corps needs to implement policies and procedures that help enforce this training. The YPT covers topics such as grooming and abusive behavior, drug and alcohol abuse, requirements for two deep leadership and no one-on-one contact, buddy system, separation of minors from 18+ members, etc. The claim from BSA is that such training, policies and procedures do multiple things: simply having this deters abusers away from the organization, trains the members, leaders and volunteers to recognize the signs of grooming, empowers all involved to stop policy violations re one-on-one contact and such, etc. The corps absolutely must be better at taking care of issues as they arise because no matter what, some will still occur. However, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
    1 point
  38. Joe went to his superior. as he himself did not see it, he couldn't go to the police. went to Curley and Sr. VP Gary Schultz, who also oversaw campus police since the incident was on campus...as he legally should have. and McQueary was vague with them as well. now should Joe have gone to the police? Sure. But since he didn't actually see it, if he didn't, talking to law enforcement friends, he could have opened himself up to issues if it was false. thats why anyone who witnesses something or is the victim of something should go to the police. right away
    1 point
  39. 1 point
  40. if they get their #### together sure.
    1 point
  41. Five DCI corps (three World Class, two Open) in the last six years have either disbanded / taken years off due to compliance issues, or had George Hopkins as their director. I can also name another top 12 whose Board Chair and DCI HOF'er during this time who had to resign due to inappropriate conduct, one who has now hired a director accused of covering up for a charged predator, and yet another who has been accused of letting a director skate after being accused of a relationship with a member. It may be unfair to assume *every* corps has a hidden issue, but I would submit it's not something to wave away, either. Mike
    1 point
  42. And … if I understand correctly, and the Dear knows if I do … brains aren’t fully formed in a person until they are 25 , give or take a year. How many techs are under that age limit? How many bad decisions are being made by junior staff every day, especially with regard to interactions with MMs, whom are barely younger than they are? I could go in so many different directions on how this could go wrong, but I don’t think I have to. Iron clad codes of conduct must not only be implemented, but enforced. End of rant.
    1 point
  43. Well Spirit did lose a housing site as announced a few days ago. Don’t think anyone took the legally scary step to say why:
    1 point
  44. It doesn’t matter anyway. They’re selling tickets hand over fist this winter. I heard you can’t get anything decent for Indy. People are obviously fine with the status quo so us jawboning about it doesn’t make a #### bit of difference.
    1 point
  45. I’ve come to the conclusion the activity isn’t going to adopt or accept mandatory and enforceable violations of individuals or organizations. IMO it’s only a matter of time before a reported incident gets brushed under the rug again that will shutdown the whole activity. National news and a family with disposable resources to hire the best legal representation will be all it will take.
    1 point
  46. My suggestioN has nothing to do with maturity, and everything to do with legalities. It’s blatantly clear that the corps have failed at managing these issues and created more liability for the activity and themselves. It’s only a matter of time before law enforcement gets involved, and then that scandals happens DCI will be forced to fold. If that happens it will impact the entire marching arts activity, and be extremely difficult to recover. Imagine the headlines - teacher accused of sexually assaulting 16 year old for months on band tour. The activity would never recover from that.
    1 point
  47. Every time I see that I’m reminded I spent my high school and college days in a Senior corps. And some of the people I talked to and hung with were at least a decade older. “Age is just a number”.. it’s the maturity level
    1 point
  48. Kids are mixed with adults all though life.
    1 point
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