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  1. Thanks for clearly spells it out, and that no second performance is granted, no matter what. Some corps have chosen to include an extensive amount of electronics in their shows......obviously, a failure could be catastrophic...........some have indicated about generators, back-ups, etc......however, even when that happens, usually power amps will "trip", even just for a short time period until they reset.....or worse, a fuse blows somewhere, and no generator is going to fix that. I do have mixed emotions about "oh, well" being the response if the power line provided by the venue would fail during a performance. The band circuit that I judge for indicates that power is to be supplied to the front sideline, and those running the show are responsible to make sure that line is run, live, and working. At a show that I was on (small high school stadium), the first 2 bands didn't use electronics. Band 3 comes on, and the power is dead. The director clearly indicates that no power is in the line, and he is upset, because he has a small band with no tuba, and thus his electric bass player is a critical element of his show. I stopped the show for around 10 minutes, we linked two one hundred foot power cords together (fortunately the school had them) and ran power from the press box to the sideline. A little funky, but it worked. Problem solved. Way back in either 1981 or 1982, a corps was on the field at prelims in Montreal. Approximately 1/3 of the way into their show, a microphone started very loud and very bad feedback in the stadium PA system. For some reason, it was not being attended to. It GREATLY effected the sound of the corps and was very disturbing. The director went over to Pesceone and BEGGED for the problem to be fixed and for the corps to be allowed to start over. Pesceone refused, saying that they had to stay on schedule (and I heard this come out of his mouth).....the corps I believe came in 32nd. I have wondered to this day what would have happened if that happened much later in the show when someone was either battling for finals or battling to win, and they demanded to start over.
  2. I know most, if not all, have generators for rehearsal........not sure about at the show venue, though.....I know in the early days of electronics, a power line was run...........
  3. I have a big question involving electronics. Everyone who has gone to a number of shows knows that there can be problems....sometimes major.........microphone cutting in and out, or going out altogether, an electronic keyboard not working, feedback..........not to mention the constant struggles with balance issues. These difficulties are all "on the corps" though, as they are aware of the risks, and also aware of the importance to really "have it down". That said, I propose a possible problem that I don't believe has happened yet, but could be a major issue sometime. As you know, all the sponsor is responsible for is providing a live power line to the front sideline area. What would happen if the power source from the venue failed during a corps' performance at a major contest....let's say Championships. Let's say that the corps' sound guy checks, and sure enough, everything has shut down and there are no power lights anywhere. Instead of waiting, a signal is given to the director, and the director walks to the podium and tells the drum major to stop the show. When the contest director comes over, the director tells him that he stopped the corps because the required power source from the venue has stopped and thus was not provided, and it is not fair for us to bear the consequences of this when other corps did have power throughout their performance." Would they be penalized? Would they be allowed to go again? There have been "power up" problems when a corps has set up and has no power. However, 99% of the time it has been something with the corps equipment....a bad connection (typical), a blown fuse in a power amp or power strip (less typical).........I have only seen a few instances.....a few at band shows and a few at corps shows.....where the venue source of power was these instances, the show was delayed until a fresh, good line of power was run. However, I have not seen an instance where the power source from the venue cut out DURING an actual performance. This is something that if it hasn't happened already, is going to. Even stadium concerts have had times where somehow power going to the stage tripped, causing no sound and a delay. Newer stadiums have had fewer incidents, due to improved wiring and power capacities. However, it still can happen. Does DCI have a formal policy if the required power from the venue either (1) isn't provided/working prior to a performance (2) fails during a performance.? If there is nothing in writing on this, I think that it would be very interesting to see what would happen if the power source from the venue failed during a corps' performance, and the corps stopped and demand a re-run after power was restored. PS: this is NOT a debate about the use of electronics..............
  4. It is indeed a shame that so many major competitors have fallen by the wayside over the problems, recruiting/retention problems, and competitiveness have all been nails for those groups. However, 8 corps have made word-class finals in all 5 decades of DCI (70's, 80's, 90's, 00's, 10's). Name them (no cheating) .Here are some interesting hints...……. They have won 43 of the 47 championships; however, 2 of these corps have not won the title. Five of the eight corps have been in finals for 38 consecutive years (or more). 2012 was the last time that all 8 of these corps were in finals.
  5. I have to comment on my one and only US Open appearance....1977. I was in the Crossmen, and we narrowly lost prelims by .05 to the Seneca Optimists. Our school was nearly an hour away. Around 8 PM, our director is notified that the show is in rain-delay, and the weather didn't look good. However, before midnite, we are informed that the show is back on, and we left for the show. There was one more delay after arriving. Finally, we are lined up and ready to go. I checked my watch at the gate and then put it in my pocket....just short of 3 AM. In the middle of our opener, the rain opens up in buckets on us. We are not stopped, and we continue to perform. We actually did a pretty good job in an absolute downpour. As we left the field, the guard captain passed out in front of me......we had a place in the show where the guard went down on their backs and the hornline went through in a company front. When she went to get up, her back was glued to the mud, and it took all of her strength to break the bond and get moving. Seneca comes on, and it didn't rain a drop on them. They did well. We lost by 2 tenths, and won save for penalties on dropped equipment because of the rain challenge. I found out later that the committee was determined to get the show in, as many of the touring corps had to get on their way and/or had Sunday shows. We blew out nearly every electrical socket in our school as we used hair dryers to try and dry out uniforms and flags. Still, it was fun.
  6. Name your top 10 DCI corps of all time who did not win the championship. Here is my list (no particular order) Bridgemen (broke the mold with their style and use of humor.....seriously contended for title in 1977 and 1980) 27th Lancers (also had their own unique crowd-pleasing style, with dazzling visual/guard...contended in 1980) Argonne Rebels (won brass in prelims in consecutive years, with Sandra Opie ahead of her time) Spirit of Atlanta (contended in 1979 and 1980......legendary brass sound and a great Tom Float drumline) Crossmen (although didn't contend for title at end of any year, the many time finalist won some Regionals and beat everyone at some point, with some legendary drumlines) Troopers (contended for title in DCI's first 3 years, including 2nd in 1973...….western aura, the sunburst, and precision marching/guard made them a crowd favorite) Muchachos (contended for title in 1974 and especially in 1975......Spanish look/sound with a flare...….performed in 75 prelims but disqualified...judges certainly put down their numbers, but what that score was remains a mystery....crowd pleaser/very entertaining) Blue Stars (serious contender 1972-1973......finalist first 8 years of DCI...…..rebuilt corps into world class finalist after being in Division 3 and Division 2 for quite a number of years) Kilties (although they didn't contend, with their 5th in 1973 being the highest, they were competitive, and a crowd pleaser....also notable was their jump from 29th to 10th in 1977) Oakland Crusaders (although Oakland was only in 2 finals, they actually did something in a non-finalist year, 1977, that might not ever happen again.....winning high percussion in prelims but not qualifying for finals)
  7. The former band director of West Chester University's famed marching band, Dr. James Wells, along with his brother Richard, also a fine music educator, recently donated a record 3 million dollars to the newly re-named Wells School of Music. The alumni list of the School of Music. and alumni of the band, (including many from Wells' era) that have had and continue to have a huge impact on the drum corps activity, including arrangers, instructors, and members, is unmatched. Wells revolutionized the concept of student leadership within the college band. Wells' approach propelled the band into one of the finest in the country. He also created an eventual national student marching band conference/workshop, which allowed high school students to learn the basics from talented clinicians, and for band directors to also hone their skills. A DCI contest was a frequent part of clinic week. Dr. Wells had time for everyone, and had a great influence on thousands of future music educators, including some who are now also legends in the drum corps world. Dr. James Wells is an individual who was a pioneer and living legend in the marching music world.
  8. Another thing that was interesting (and confusing to many, especially the casual fan) was had the DCI Eastern Championship, and you also had the DCE (Drum Corps East Championship). In the Midwest, you had the DCI Midwest Championship, and also DCM (Drum Corps Midwest) Championship. All were big shows.....the main difference being that the circuit championships were that region, whereas the DCI shows, although having many corps from that region, would also feature competing corps from other regions as well. It is a good thing that prize money eventually became appearance money, as it takes enormous money these days to field a corps. It would be interesting though, to see what the response would be if a very wealthy person sponsored one show and offered a few million in prize money. I'm not holding my breath on that, though.
  9. I think that you are right.....just don't know the exact year........I know that when I started marching in 1977, I believe that there were still a few. It's a shame that VFW and AL eventually stopped doing their championships, as that legacy could have continued.....I think that those that ran those just didn't want all of the work to do it anymore, and they were perhaps too proud to just become another DCI-sanctioned event. Many corps, even in the 1970's (Including mine) had a VFW or American Legion post as one of their sponsors.
  10. I understand your reply (and your breakdown of what they get to appear excellently spells it out) What I was referring to is there were regular season shows that offered prize money that night for winning, 2nd place, 3rd place etc......Now it is guaranteed appearance money based on if you were a finalist or not the year before. However, a finalist could come out and have a bad season, but still receive "finaist" level appearance money all year long. There used to be shows that would actually say in their ads, "X amount of dollars in prize money". After DCI started, most of these shows were run independently. However, actual 1st-2nd-3rd prize money eventually disappeared. I just wanted to know when that practice ended.
  11. Does anyone know when prize money for contests was totally phased out? I know that DCI pretty much caused the phase-out of prize money, by creating guaranteed appearance money levels for their finalist and associate member corps at DCI-sanctioned shows. However, circuits (DCM, UOEC-DCE, DCS, and PDCA to name a few) and many shows, including the prior mainstays AL and VFW, still went on for awhile. While most (not all....I know AL didn't) adopted DCI judging and sheets, they were still independent in many respects, and the full conversion to most/all shows being DCI was a very gradual one.
  12. I apologize....I believe that you may be correct........I thought that the Crossmen had a win over Star. and now I don't think that they did after looking........I am going to check it out, as not all scores are, it looks as if Troopers are the only one who has beaten every champion but hasn't won a title.......
  13. You win!! It was Crossmen and Troopers.......