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Everything posted by Bob984

  1. Many are addressing the increased costs for the operation of the corps.....certainly a significant concern......though I agree that the corps will figure out how to get through. However, the impacts on individual members of the corps could be just as concerning. If suddenly it costs a member double or triple what it cost not long ago just to get to rehearsal, that could be a "deal breaker" for kids who saved and planned for x amount of dollars to march, and suddenly it is much, much more......some simply might not be able to do it.
  2. Long time DCI/DCA and band judge Joe Allison has passed away. RIP Joe..........
  3. I was just wondering how much impact airfares will have on the 2022 season. Airfares have GREATLY increased since January; in some cases, double, triple, and even quadruple the fares of just months ago. Yes, there are still some discounts offered, but not nearly as many. Those who travel to audition camps and rehearsal camps have to be impacted. I wonder if some corps will allow members who fly to simply show up at move-ins, which literally could save them not just hundreds, but perhaps thousands in airfare. I am also wondering if this will impact spectators who travel to big shows and nationals via air, especially when people go to look for deals that just are not there. Also, just "roughing it and drive" is no longer economical either, due to the huge increase in the cost of fuel. I would be curious to know how many members who have had to withdraw due to the huge increase in costs to get to auditions/camps, not to mention added to the cost to march.
  4. The 165 limit is to accomodate three full 55 seat buses; it is actually more economical to fill every seat. If any of the corps have buses that are fewer than 55 seaters, than the adjustment can be made accordingly. Eliminating (or at least greatly reducing) props would be helpful....there are corps that literally had a semi just to carry those, and I know of one corps that was begging for money to stay afloat that also spent $80,000 on props that same year. The World oil situation is severe, and I don't know what the answer is there short of taking every step to max our own oil production, and greatly stepping up electric car production, and try to bring down the costs of those vehicles as well. At this juncture, it would be unfair to tell a kid in the pit, who has traveled for auditions and paid fees just like everyone else, that you are cutting back so they are out. Future considerations? Absolutely, especially if you can cut out one truck.....I think that 10 people (or less) total instead of 20 is a reasonable reduction goal. If our government does not do all that they can to reduce fuel prices, not just corps, but our entire economy is going to be slammed.......all forms of vacation/leisure travel are going to be impacted, including corps excursions, as people are just going to stay home. I just hope and pray that a maniacal leader can be ousted before starting WW3 (one that nobody will win).
  5. Question.......some years ago, unless I am delirious, I believe that there were a good many corps that participated in some sort of "fuel consortium".....there was a vendor, and they were able to purchase gasoline in advance at a certain price (and that stayed the same even if fuel went up) I wonder if that is still around? It would be a great thing for them if it was..........
  6. Thanks for your reply. I feel your pain, and I believe what you say. As an outsider, initially I thought that it was just a family squabble over name/rights to the corps' name and use of name. However, after reading the judges' comments, and then looking at the tax filings.......it didn't take much to figure out what was going on, and you reiterated that as well. Although I didn't personally know your father, I think that perhaps there is a solution somewhere down the line. With the court verdict and the consequences, it is highly likely that your sister will not be able to continue the foundation, regardless of name. The IDEA of the foundation, and sponsoring a few individuals to march, is not bad; especially in these days with high costs to march, and some or many talented young people being priced out of the activity. Maybe a charity that resumes that cause, in the 27th name, which is properly run, gives more and uses the vast majority of funds toward the scholarships, would be possible, and one that the alumni would unite under. Your Dad would like that idea. Your sister would either come around (hopefully) and realize the error of her ways, or she would not. I can say that good will always eventually prevail. Thanks again for your response, and I wish you all the best.
  7. Hello.......thanks in advance for taking the time to answer these questions. When the "Foundation" was formed by your sister Denise, please tell me what concerns you had after the "Foundation" became active. Did you indicate those concerns to her, and what was her response? The "Foundation" still exists, just under a different name. How do you feel about that?
  8. It's all about demonstrating questionable ethics involving the running of a scholarship foundation. The judge also pointed this out. You disagree with a differing opinion, and that's your perogative. The end.
  9. Exactly what I read.....far, far more than a squabble over a trademark name........the judges made their decision........but other than being out $$$, the individual remains the CEO of a major corps.
  10. He was a great director who gave all of himself to the corps and all "his kids"....I was one of them............RIP Robbie.............
  11. Actually, Denise took additional actions on 1/29, since this thread was started, and now expects money to be raised through the foundation, not for scholarships, but to pay for the legal verdict that was a direct result of her actions. There could be additional consequences for these actions, and someone has pointed out that an additional investigation may be taking place. This is about far more than a dispute over a trademark/name. It is about possible unethical and perhaps criminal behavior by someone who is now a CEO of a major corps witn an over $2 million budget and the checkbook. People have expressed their opinions of her actions, and you have the right to express yours. Certainly the moderator can close a thread, but for what purpose here? To censor any new information?? To brush info under the rug and pretend there is nothing to see here?? If you don't wish to read any more info on this, you don't have to, and you also have the full right to express your point of view....but to quelch others in discussing something that is ongoing.....I don't know.......
  12. Agreed. I think it is safe to say that the "Foundation" is likely over (though I am all for giving kids scholarships.....but not as a front to somebody's yearly and pricey August vacation.........I would be curious to see what the IRS has to say about the tax writeoffs.......
  13. From what I have heard, the siblings who filed the suit reached out several times to work together with the other two siblings, but Denise wanted to do her own thing with no regard for their input/feelings. The suit was filed after all other efforts failed, and they could not stand by and watch her run the foundation in the manner that she did, all under the 27th name, which she had zero legal authority to do. A judge and jury made a decision and it was upheld in appelate court. Her declaring that the decisions were "wrong" mean nothing. Her foundation, unless a miracle happens, is done......she is not going to get donations of that level to cover her court verdict....for her to ask of these funds through the foundation (not for it's expressed purpose of monies for scholarships) is not only unethical, but may be illegal as well. I read this on a Mass. website.....I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the actions qualify for all three here. I think that it would be a good thing if the winning plaintiffs would consider developing their own charity in the 27th name, and actually use most of the funds (minus reasonable expenses) for the benefit of scholarships. The Non-Profit Organizations/Public Charities Division has jurisdiction to investigate complaints that involve: misappropriation of charitable funds; fraudulent or misleading solicitation; and unethical behavior by charitable employees or board members. The AGO generally does not become involved in governance disputes within nonprofit organizations.
  14. Unfortunately, some important evidence is left out of the "statement" above. I would suggest to take a look at the tax returns for the Foundation, and also refer to the judge's comments about Denise using foundation funds to pay for her trips to DCI, lodging, car, airfare, meals, and even throwing parties. For example, in one particular year, the intake of funds for the foundation was nearly $15,000. They awarded $2000 in scholarships. However, much, much more than that is indicated in "other expenses" (the "other expenses" schedule was not made public in any year, from what I can see). Also, actual LOSSES were declared in recent years; from what I can see, in order to take to balance of the account down. If you are awarding scholarships in the amount of $1000 each, why would you have in excess of $20,000 in the account? Where is this money now? The statement above actually indicates that the main purpose is to pay the damages that the defendants have to pay, and is thus not in line at all with raising money for scholarships at this time, which is the stated purpose of the foundation. Frankly, the trademark/name was of little significance here (including the plaintiffs). What WAS at issue was gross misuse of funds for individual purposes, not the intended purposes of the foundation.
  15. That explains some things....our capes (1978 Crossmen) were long and RED (lined in white)....no wonder the mosquitos declared war on us in prelims......lol.....
  16. I remember marching there (at DCI Midwest 1978), and at prelims, the mosquitos were unbelievable. They sprayed the field between prelims and finals, and that did help.
  17. The 1977 US Open was classic and memorable. I was in the Crossmen, and in the preliminaries, we were in 2nd, and the Seneca Optimists were just .05 ahead of us......81.950 to 81.90. We were excited, because we knew that we had a real shot to win this title. We returned to our housing, which was a good ways away. Rain broke out, and the forecast was not good....it looked as though it was going to be a wash. We were officially told it was a "rain delay". We actually had a "talent show", and when we were finishing up, a call arrived, and the show was back on! We scampered to get ready, but just as we were about to leave, another rain delay was called. Now we really felt that it was not going to happen. However, after awhile, yet another call was received, and it was back on! We packed up, and made our way to the show. However, shortly after arriving, yet a 3rd delay was called.....it's now quite late, and we are figuring that it's all for nothing. Much time goes by, and suddenly, the show is on again!! We finally lined up at the gate, and just as we are heading in, I looked at my watch and then put it in my pocket.....just short of 3 AM!! Amazingly, there is still a decent crowd there. We march in and set up. The field was a mess. We get a few minutes into the show, and the clouds open up on us, and it is a terrential downpour. I'm waiting for them to stop us, but they did not. We actually performed pretty well considering the horrific conditions, and the crowd was into it. We pass in review at the end, and the flag captain passed out in front of me. When I asked her later how she was feeling and what happened, she told me that in the middle of the show, when she laid on her back (which the flags did in one section of the show, and the horns pass through), there was mud, and her back was "glued" to the ground....it took every ounce of strength that she had to break that adhesion and get up........ Seneca comes on, and the rain stops and doesn't rain a drop on them. We lost the show in penalties, but nobody blamed the guard, because it was impossible to hold onto equipment during tosses/etc. in the torrential rain, so it was very tough for them and they had a bunch of drops that they would not have had otherwise...... Seneca 85.05......Crossmen 84.85.....................we went back to the school and blew out nearly all of the electrical outlets using hairdryers to try and dry out our uniforms........what a crazy day!!
  18. I heard that they have just over 500 people, including a 300 person hornline!!
  19. No doubt......I think if they worked at it, the corps could "get by" just fine on around 1/2 of the budgets that they have now.......I also noticed that they are doing far fewer shows this year than 2018.....BD only has 18 contests, and Crown 19.....Surf is lowest with 14....Cavies are highest with 26...........in 1983, the Cadets had 42 contests (41-1...a very good year...lol)....less shows equals less income, and money is money......but I doubt the kids are paying one less dollar......
  20. Not saying that it didn't happen in the past.....starting in an open (or back in the day, "A") corps, and then advancing to a "big boy" at a more mature age was common, and that still happens frequently. What I was implying is that jumping from one big corps to another big corps didn't happen back then as frequently as it does now.....and economics/cost is definitely impacting the number of seasons members choose to march.....many more "one and done" members, and many who do 2 seasons and that's it. One interested parallel to the times involves athletics......as the "sit out a year" rule involving college transfers is all but gone, and now athletes can start at one school, and play the next season at another....school hopping by athletes is going to become a big thing over the next several years.....far more in the past, because they can play for their new school right away......my only worry about that is "powers" actively recruiting kids already at other programs, and there will be no way to monitor that....it could become just like the pros in terms of trades, buying players, etc.....I don't think that corps has reached the point where corps are attempting to openly recruit/"steal" players from other corps (though historically it has happened), but I don't think that it is an open practice....the bottom line is that it is a kid's choice to stay with the corps that they join, or to march in multiple corps.....not sure if it still happens, but some corps would offer a returning vet "discounts" for returning, which sometimes was a larger discount each year.......perhaps not a bad idea if the corps can get by.....
  21. I hear 'ya.........it does sadden me that some kids are quietly priced out of everything....in DCI, the number of marchers who are from middle/average and low/average income households is much lower than it was in the 70's and 80's....like you say, everything is relative, but even in yesterday's dollars, kids are paying significantly more to do drum corps......I paid $300 to march in a finalist in 1977.....and I scrounged to get that together...lol.....we have schools (Florida) screaming for substitute teachers (nationwide as well), but in my county, the fast food worker is making more money per hour than the sub.......in NJ (where I used to teach) many districts had to quietly raise their sub pay on 1/1 to meet minimum wage requirements.....and they wonder why nobody's jumpin' for the job to work in the middle of a petri dish in a pandemic!! Crazy times......
  22. I still find the cost staggering and it saddens me that many kids get "priced out".....Back in the 70's, I struggled as a college kid to do corps, and it took me 10 years to pay back college loans.....if my life was fast forwarded to today, there is zero chance I would be able to afford to go college and also march corps. Zero. Every aspect of the activity is expensive these days........I still wonder if a corps need $80,000 of props on the field (and if they make that much difference) , but that's just my opinion....I kidded a friend recently....when DCI was in Orlando years ago, there was a parade at Epcot, and the corps members were given free time in the park......I was behind some of them at a food venue, and they were buying ALOT of food (overpriced park food at that), and all pulled out credit cards to pay the tab without any concern at all over cost.....They were also wearing sneakers that cost more than all of the clothes that I would have brought on tour....I laughed, as I remembered the last year that I finished tour, and I was digging for change in the bottom of my suitcase to get enough to buy a soda......
  23. It's a bit sad that the dedication has shifted to the individual (self) and not to the group/organization. There are kids who march in multiple corps during their youth; some as many as 3 or 4 corps. I guess it's for "varied experiences"; I do understand if a kid goes to a corps, marches a season, is unhappy there, and decides to make a change. However, one very common thing is that a kid will march in an open or world class corps (perhaps a non-finalist, but in some cases, even a finalist), and will then jump ship at the end of that season to join a top 6 corps. Also, there are more individuals than ever who only do one season due to costs, and the percentage of kids who do three or more seasons (which was common back in the day) has dwindled big time. It would be interesting to see if kids would choose to march more seasons if the cost to march was suddenly cut in half or more, but I don't expect that to happen with the current model.
  24. It depends on how you rate a "really bad year". I think the term "embarassing show" is particularly harsh. You mention about going to BD. Yes, they always have a high talent level, and that propels them competitively every year. However, they have won at times with shows that impressed the judging community more than the audience, with other shows from competitors doing better in that regard. To this day, the Cadets are 2nd only to BD in terms of titles. You mention 2015-2016. Although the 2015 Cadet corps lost their mid-season lead, they are still the only corps in DCI history to win both high brass and high percussion in a championship round (semifinals) and not win the show, never mind the 4th that they came in, and they took high brass in finals as well. That was one fine show musically, and hardly an embarrassment. They did fall off a bit after that year, due to various reasons. When Jay Bocook left the Cadets, there was a noticeable drop in the quality of brass arrangements and brass performance. Throw in the troubles of 2018, and they battled through things that would have forced lesser corps to fold or have at least a year of inactivity. But they hung in, and not only went out, but were solidly in finals. Now, Bocook is back, the brass staff is strong, other captions are strong, and last year's corps was significantly better than the prior two seasons, and were very well received. The kids who go to the corps, like most corps, learn to work hard and are given a positive experience. That hasn't changed. Yes, many kids flock to BD to get a ring....I do wonder if they consider it a failure if they pick the wrong year and do not get one.....if "consistency in member experience" only equates to winning, does that mean all corps other than BD fail?
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