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1 hour ago, jmc5682 said:
Sexual relationship does not mean I actually had sex with anyone. Nuance, see you just don't get it.
No, you don’t get it. That would be the definition of a NON sexual relationship.
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36 minutes ago, jmc5682 said:
See, I did not post that I had sex with anyone. The point of the post was about lawsuits and if they can help a victim. Your post proves my point.
“I had a sexual relationship with a person who was 20 when I was 15” were your words. But maybe there is nuance there that I just wouldn’t understand.
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6 minutes ago, jmc5682 said:
That is so true. The reason I rarely come on the DCP forum is because the people leaving comments are rarely kind. They do not understand nuance. I normally just come on DCP forums to giggle at the BD haters.
I didn’t understand there was nuance when talking about an adult having sex with a minor. 🤷♂️
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26 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
Well, not all of us figured it out by age 30 apparently. Based on the post we are discussing
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Wait. I thought she was biased against the Scouts. Haha everyone has a beef with her.
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2 hours ago, jmc5682 said:
I do not see how that was a flex. It was with another guy. I deleted the post anyway as I should have considered some people could be triggered.
I don’t know about triggered. To me, more like…disgusted. Disturbed. Over the passage of decades since this happened (minor and not minor “relations” which you thought was cool at the time - correct me if I’m wrong, you deleted the post so I am going by memory) your thoughts about the appropriateness of this hasn’t changed? That’s what I find disturbing. Again though I could be misremembering your post so if I am…sorry.
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50 minutes ago, DFA1970 said:
Yes it's says historical items will be given to Marching Pageantry Arts Museum with approval of the bankruptcy trustee. I guess he/she has to determine if they have any value.
I know my kids’ hockey trophies are doing a good job holding up the power cord to my treadmill in the basement just in case we get water down there. Otherwise their value may be $0.50 give or take.
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1 hour ago, TheOneWhoKnows said:
I have unconfirmed source the trophy’s were given to the DCI museum.
DCI has a museum? Huh.
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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
incorrect. not all alumni corps are all adults. outside of special project one offs, most if not all alumni corps have non alumni in the ranks.
Hang tight, Jeff. Keith Hall did a poor job on the quote. Those were not his words. They were posted by someone responding to Terri. Keith quoted Terri but accidentally included the words below hers. I knew something was off because Keith appeared to be contradicting himself….until I went back several pages, found the post he quoted, and realized those were not his words. 😵💫
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8 minutes ago, cixelsyd said:
Actually, it is simple. Simpler than DFTK. Only requires the first two letters.
Haha. Or maybe only the first letter.
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17 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
Ok. So say we do this & it fixes staff/member issues. What about member/member (which is what was alleged to happen in several recent incidents)?
Not trying to be difficult, but it seems to me that there needs to be more than just SSI. Or perhaps I don’t understand SSI well enough.
Are you talking about member/member when one is 18+ and the other is younger than 18? Are you talking about dating ? What is your question? Just a generic how do you stop a member from molesting another member?
Anyway, I would hope there is frequent repetition to the message of a zero tolerance policy and that if you see something, say something. Versus a one-time view the anti-harassment video, roll your eyes and move on. You want to date, and one of you is a marching member and the other is a staff member? Not gonna happen, sorry. Not under our auspices. You have options. You don’t have to be in our drum corps. Life is full of choices.
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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
so in a few places i've seen online or a few chats i have had with trusted individuals, as i expected, more details seem to be slowly seeping out.
now please don't take this next part as victim shaming..i'm not. but it appears the victim filed several other lawsuits of a similar nature and didn't win any of them. i'm no legal expert, and i have no idea where to look, but a quick search on my end found none of them, but i am sure i'm not looking in the right places. i'm not a lawyer, i dont play one on tv, and i don't even watch them on tv.
why do i bring that up? did CAE's lawyers use this in their legal maneuvers? Were CAE's lawyers even experts in the field? i'm told attorneys that specialize in these cases were recommended to the board, and the board chose to go the route they did and play the odds. well it's clear that didn't work. was it trust? was it cost? i get it, good legal representation isn't cheap, but if fighting for your existence, i'd think you'd figure out a way to get experts in the field you're dealing with that has a good record.
it's apparently no secret it happened with the victim and the abuser. but that it was not a corps sponsored activity has bothered me from day one. Yes, the corps should have dismissed him. in fact, any corps admin at this gathering should have stopped it then. but i still wonder how liable the corps really should be for that? But again, that comes down to who the board had representing them. for $1,000 a month ( a number i've seen floated several places) i can't imagine you're getting Will Gardner or ALicia Florrick ( i have watched that show 2/3 times, hence how i know the names).
But...this is a board that allowed Scott to be pushed out, and hired someone who it's publicly known lost in court over fraudulent charity issues. And gave that person more power on paper than Hop had. And how'd that work out? Well....that person fired a certified legend after issues over member safety and finances came out after the season.
and the move to Erie...going hand in hand with the sports facility that as has come out over time wasn't always in the best graces of their city.
none of my info came from CAE Board members, and i do not claim it to be 100% accurate. i wouldn't trust anything a CAE board member said anyways based on my interactions with 2 of them. But the more that keeps coming out, the more I see that this board...well....didn't do their jobs. who cares however may MBA's or whatever else degrees they had, it seemed to be all about the loyal and faithful and maroon and gold. and as i see more and more seeping out online, in the end....lawsuit or no....it was going to fail anyway. and it seems if any of this is true, the lawsuit showed they couldn't handle it.
so while many wat to blame the victim...hell CAE did in their press release....i think in the end, the ultimate failure is on the board, who sat on a ticking time bomb that the lawsuit only got to exploe sooner than later.,
Interesting. I did not consider the possibility that the lawsuit is being used by the board as cover / excuse for the Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Versus the board causing the failure.
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48 minutes ago, Old Guy said:
I honestly do not know the answer to this but… does the law forbid a 17 to date and 18 ?
what the law in the US say about it?
And what happen if 2x 17 are dating but one got his birthday before the other one while on tour?
That’s kind of a leap of logic, dating to sexual assault. Anyway, who cares what the law says if the corps instituted a strict no dating policy. No stating that I agree with it, just going with the straw man.
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4 minutes ago, rmurrey74 said:
That policy is already in place. I have to sign my employment agreement with that specially spelled out and covered in training.
Fantastic!
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23 minutes ago, rmurrey74 said:
The safe sport training is activity wide. As a staff member, the amount of training I receive is far and beyond what I have to do for any other activity I’m involved in. (Coaching youth baseball and volunteering with the high school musicals for set construction). It’s also far more than our 15 minute sexual harassment training taken yearly for work. It’s probably never enough, but there’s frequent reminders, spelled out in my teaching contracts, in separate policy documents. It’s taken very seriously by the two drum corps I have recently taught and I’ve heard no different from my friends and past members teaching across the activity.
There’s some people that will never be satisfied or convinced that it’s enough. That’s fine, but it’s a huge improvement over what existed five years ago. I’m not sure what more could be done right now but making the minimum age 18 would be best in my mind.
Do you think it’s enough?
How about implementing this policy: there shall be a minimum of TWO adults when in the presence of a sole minor. And, to the corps members, if you EVER come across one adult and one minor alone in private together, you are expected to report it to (insert the correct single point of contact) immediately. All persons will be assumed innocent but out an abundance of caution we will investigate every occurrence.
I suppose many will consider this “too hard” to implement. Well, how important to you is the activity’s survival? Would you not take whatever measures are necessary? This is a solid policy that is used in many organizations.
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2 hours ago, Zanjero said:
Time to change WC member age eligibility to 18-23. Has this been discussed?
If I recall, this idea has been floated before, and it’s been mocked and ridiculed. “You can’t deny the experience to the kids” etc.
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23 minutes ago, Slingerland said:
Muchachos and Crossmen both were busted of rules violations regarding age of members, something that was clearly spelled out in DCI's charter. Might as well say "Regiment got a .1 penalty in 1978, but DCI looked the other way on sexual predators." One thing has nothing to do with the other. DCI was not given the right or the responsibility by its founders to mandate background checks of corps staff in the 1970s/80s/90s. You can say "that was stupid" and you'd be right, but the fact is, no one else in American society in that period was background checking either, for anything besides criminal pasts.
Hmmm…. That line of reasoning did not pan out very well for the Catholic Church. You cannot tell me “nobody knew.” That’s just false on its face. I’m afraid DCI might be in significant trouble here. The “I was in charge but the rules didn’t make me do anything” defense is a loser.
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Haha I just realized their goal is to raise $100k by the end of 2023.
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12 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
legal bills aint cheap
You said the quiet part out loud. Troublemaker.
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1 minute ago, Jeff Ream said:
i dont see anyone giving him a pass though.
Quit moving the goal posts on me. First you said you don’t see anyone glamorizing. Now you say you don’t see anyone giving him a pass. You’re killing me.
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6 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
so Landmark taught you that magical things happened when you touched your trumpet?
Interesting word choice. So many possible responses.
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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
i dont see any glamorizing anything. i see a lot of brutal honesty pointing out well documented flaws that led to legal action
I see comparisons to a tragic Shakespearean figure or a Greek tragedy to be glamorizing. Maybe that’s just me. I see a snake oil salesman who finally got caught.
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1 hour ago, Marched4years said:
While this is all true for many many years he himself and many in the activity viewed him as a celebrity and creative genius.
As has been the case throughout history with many psychopaths, now that you mention it. Initially deified. But later demonized. Scary, isn’t it?
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Let’s not over glamorize Hopkins. He ran a summer marching band. Brought in top talent who designed championship shows for him. Drove them away. Tanked the band. Assaulted girls and was convicted. Now he sets up tee times for you. A dickish loser with a psychopathic personality. Not worth anybody’s time of day.
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The whistleblowers and survivors of abuse in this industry are tired...
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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My favorite is: they want to destroy the corps / they want the corps to fold. One need look no further than the screed of a statement from CAE as they exited the stage. A case study in victim blaming.