corpsband

FTFY! FWIW I agree w/you. This thread should be exactly one post long simply listing all the announcements. But we got we got.

I'm not sure there's another show that lit up an audience like this show. Not even PR'08. They literally electrified the audience. Fun to experience.

Too bloody late for that. 21 pages and counting. Anyway...

i.cannot.wait.

We are now no longer The Knights Who Say Ni! We are now the knights who say....

if only. i don't think that's an unpopular opinion so much as a fantasy. DCI is barely getting by with the members substantally supporting the activity. if you have a way to create a revenue stream that lets members march for free (never mind being paid) please share it immediately!

oh don't put words in my mouth. i certainly have. picked fights. but in this particular case (and in the recent past) you're way off-base. and remember that the reader often puts a spin on words in a message to arrive at a "tone". you automatically defend Brasso so of course you see my posts as attacking him. just as you can't see that he "jumped in" not me. anyway it is a fruitless debate. i proposed he simply never reply to my posts. i've already been attempting the same for several weeks. his response to my proposal: dragging up some off-topic parody post. so yeah -- that about sums it up.

there may be one or more "championship quality" designs in a season. i think (in general) that what separates those designs at the end is the performer executing the design. i don't think anyone has ever marched a clean show. as for who was and was not "dirty", ill pass on debating specific cases with you i'll just say that up down up in the toaster is far easier to clean than strange plane over your back with multiple hand position switches. IOW the "what" matters when assessing "dirt". there's always a struggle between "writing hard" and "achievability". i've alway been willing to overlook a small individual error in the name of an amazing bit of vocabulary. otoh if the ensemble all exhibit the error.... and i realize some folks are just the opposite. i've always considered that more of a philosophical debate more than who's right/wrong. i've certainly heard both point-of-view on tapes!

not true at all. in fact even in this thread, i did not "pick a fight". i replied to Lance. he jumped in. again i ignored him and replied to Jurassic. it was only when he continued to reply to posts I made to others that i broke down and replied. and even then, through out the entire exchange. he went "off point" and i tried to civilly return him on point. he did not actually reply to any of my messages but simply continued to argue that "execution cannot win over design", a point that no one had made in this thread. i point this out, repeat what the actual debate was about, and again he ignores my entire message. finally, when pinned down to admitting no one had made the point, i say he's non-responsive and does not reply to me, and he cries that he is all hurt and offended. anyone reading this thread can see he's simply non-responsive. and yet you say *I* jumped on him.? lol it's an interesting spin on events. stupid facts. always getting in the way.

if you never press reply to another one of my posts, the world will be a better place. so do the right thing and keep talking with yourself.

actually you did imply that. at the end of your long-winded post you said: so you're imagining that somehow your reply was a riposte to my argument. all this entire episode proves is that it's a complete waste of time replying to you because you have no idea what anyone is actually writing here; you're simply answering the little voices in your head. i claim Bluecoats got a pass on dirt. you say "no" but then launch into a meaningless diatribe about how poor design cannot be overcome by amazing execution. it's a complete non sequitur and quickly returns you the "best left unread" file. it's not even a pissing contest. if it were , there would be some sort of rational exchange. but this is literally pissing into a vacuum -- there's not really anyone there on the other side!

again you're trying to dispute points no one has made. where did i write that inferior design can be overcome by superior performance? nowhere of course. you're merely arguing with your imagination (as is always the case) "proving points" that no one has disputed. i will repeat it again: design is merely a necessary pre-condition. it is not a sufficient cause. no one wins simply because the design is amazing. the performers must bring the design to life.

if only from the disruption of logistics.

1. As usual you seem to know every thought of every poster. 2. No one here has ever argued that bad design will trump perfect execution. Let's bring this back to what was actually said instead of what you imagine you hear. Bluecoats had quite a bit of easy to identify dirt in their show. IMO most years that dirt would have held them back from winning as --in the end -- two winning designs will always be separated by execution. However the performer carried the day (just as the performer carried the day in '08) and forced judges to "ignore dirt" in favor of "undeniable effect". In both cases that effect was generated by the performers on the field making a connection with the audience and "selling" the show at such a high level so as to overcome the ordinary reluctance to award a championship to a less than clean performance. (Interesting that it was the performers in both cases -- not the adults -- pushing their corps over the top) My contention was that Bluecoats got a "pass" on execution and the video proves it. But that is the exception -- not the rule. To support this claim I will list just two counter-examples: 1) The Blue Devils (who seem to never fail to execute) have won more than anyone. What is the most common observation about most of those shows? Undeniable excellence. There might have been other "championship worthy" designs on the field but they (BD) were rewarded because they executed their design the best. 2) Carolina Crown. Many posters here have stated "Crown '15 would have won but they had a bad run". So execution cost a "winning design" a championship. In fact many would say that all of Crown's 2nd places were simply a matter of not executing cleanly enough. As for percussion not holding them back, the facts seem to contradict that statement. Crown has a recent history of "overcoming" a perceived deficiency in percussion execution only by obtaining large enough margins in other captions. So to summarize: it's not the design that wins shows. A winning design merely creates the "potential". Execution of that design is what earns medals. Design + execution = championship. Sicut in principio, et nunc, et semper erit.

man 9-13 is going to be brutal. there are points to be made for every one of those corps.

lol the club where 3rd to out of finals is the same as 12th to out of finals? no thanks.

um..boy i guess Crown has fallen on hard times!

Can't wait to see Simba, Timon, and Pumba! And of course the majestic Mufasa.