cfirwin3

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  • Your Drum Corps Experience
    Bluecoats 2001
  • Your Favorite Corps
    Bluecoats
  • Your Favorite All Time Corps Performance (Any)
    Madison Scouts 1995, BD 1999, Crown 2013, Bluecoats 2014
  • Your Favorite Drum Corps Season
    1993 was good... 2011, not bad either.
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    Somewhere in New York State

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  1. Today we are comparing 3 shows in one video... so grab a cup of coffee AND a slice of pie (better make it a double slice of 'humble' pie). We are going to continue to take notice of similarities in design restrictions across decades with respect to difficulty while also taking the time to comment on different aesthetics and thematic designs. By request... we are looking at SCV 1989, 1999, and 2018. Enjoy this one because I am giving it a rest for a while after this. Original source videos are linked in the video description:
  2. I try to use the word 'accessible' which doesn't necessarily mean easy. Accessibility, in my mind, refers to the elements that are normal expectations for members. Most parts of most shows are accessible to the members of these groups. In a way, this rationalization throws some shade on those frequent assertions about the past or about one's favorite corps. Assertions like: "their drill and music was crazy hard that year!" No shows are "crazy hard" or "breakneck" any year, really. Programs are designed to be accessible and repeatable to their members. Those moments that exceed the standard level of difficulty are generally and universally treated with isolation from music (for drill) or from drill (for music). And this is observable in every era.
  3. In the context of the exercise, I have NOT indicated any of that as being a bad thing. You would have to isolate the comment to come to that assumption. I am criticizing the complaint that 'ceased playing' and 'body movement' is a current method for decreasing difficulty. I am pointing out that drumcorps design has used these visual devices for decades and it can be seen in that moment in that show. To the second concern... this exercise IS about views on drill and music. You have to watch the other commentaries to see that clearly. I am not providing a review of the aesthetics (although I talk briefly about some of the potential forces that effect fans in different time periods). Did you not watch the whole video or did you turn it off without finishing? Had you seen the 2 preceding commentaries? I have been glowing with every one of these shows. But I have been focused on the technical aspects in an effort to divorce them from the aesthetics that I really think drive the fan reaction.
  4. I mentioned in each successive comparison that I wasn't going to repeat most of the observations that I had made previously. My feeling on these shows (all of them) is that they are great, worthy programs. A major point that I am making all the while is that the design choices concerning difficulty are universal and timeless. When I say "they're not moving" or "they're not playing" it's a demonstration that every corps in every era operated on the same design accommodations when it comes to the content involved in playing and moving. I fear that you are presuming that I have some sort of bias in favor of a time period... but I don't. I have no 'dog' in the fight. My interest is in providing an apologetic for drumcorps difficulty and proficiency at large and to redirect what I believe to be the real source of disagreement towards a conversation on aesthetics. I do take the time to offer some of my opinions on why I think fans relate better or worse to varying show aesthetics... but if you are watching and listening with suspicion on my motives... it will be easy to miss what I am saying and why.
  5. Be aware that much of what you are talking about has application in the shows of today... but the aesthetic is different (and I think that is the true hang up for fans... not the difficulty). See the comparison of Garfield '87 and BD '17.
  6. Yes, this is my project and my commentary. I just got tired of the same old 'hearsay' kinds of discussions about the past vs. present and thought it would be helpful (and fun) to just compare these shows as they actually are... giving an honest accounting for technicality, proficiency and apparent goals while also being honest about the aesthetics. I'll try to address some if your ideas as well.
  7. What are your specific assertions about these shows so that I can be sure to address them?
  8. No... not exactly, but okay. The premise is that the choice to play while on the move has not changed given the difficulty/accessibility of the drill and music. i.e. Star in '91 doesn't do anything that BD doesn't do in 2014 and vice versa. The choices in motion and playing have the same motivation across time and the marching is not only comparable on a subjective level... it's objectively identical on the level of member responsibility.
  9. I don't put a lot of stock in the benefits or disadvantages of the group draws... But if I did, would agree that Boston got the best case scenario for themselves among the field.
  10. That's good. I know there is a high cam of the 2018 victory run. Hopefully I can find a good take of the Phantom Of the Opera v2 show as well. Give me some time... I'm a bit busy at the moment. Edit: looks like there is a quarterfinals high cam of '89. We should be good to go!
  11. There are a few hang ups with doing that specific combination: 1. SCV 2019 is the current year and all video is bootlegged. 2. On top of the bootleg issue, it's midseason and the show isn't done. 3. It doesn't look like the show MAY be a champion comparison to 1999 anyway. Can you think of a show that fits your interest from 2018 or prior (in a comparable placement -like top 3-)?