Sutasaurus
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And side 1 in 1981.
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9 minutes ago, xandandl said:
Did he not for awhile also do a winter guard in Washington, D.C. called the V.I.P's?
I got to see him at diligent work one year that I travelled with the Cavies' winter guard who with the Phantomettes shared an unheated warehouse outside of Rockford for "warm-ups" before a Midwest Color Guard Circuit Contest. The guys thought he was much tougher than we were. He definitely got results.
I don’t recall it being the VIPs but I vaguely remember him working with another group.!Oh, John was a taskmaster. He didn’t settle for anything less than our best, but he built or self confidence at the same time. He was tough but he had a big heart too.
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Come to think of it it was late 74 when John and Diane came to Regiment. I remember their daughter Terri(sp?) would stand on the sidelines in a toddler sized guard uniform while the corps performed.
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Just now, Jurassic Lancer said:
Who?
You haven’t been taking your Prevagen......
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1 hour ago, Terri Schehr said:
From Mariners, right? I’m trying to see if my memory works. 😀
Exactly! You’ve been taking your Prevagen. He was one of the original Capin’ Crunches. I know that he and Joe Bruno marched together in the Spectacle City Mariners from Greendale, WI. Many moons ago. Terri gets the memory of the month award!🏆
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50 minutes ago, Continental said:
The guard back then was tough as nails.
Suta, was John Brazale running the guard program for Phantom back in '79? I thought he started with the guard and then moved to visual in the 80's.
Hello there. Yes, John and his wife Diane arrived I think in late ‘73 early 74. The two of them transformed not only the guard but the corps as a whole. They turned up the esprit de corps meter to 11. I think John took over the visual program in mid to late 80s
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15 hours ago, xandandl said:
much earlier than that, didn't the conductors of Regiment wear a red top with a black helmet for several seasons? (I couldn't find the photos in Kodak's closet.)
Yes. Kevin Nesmith (RIP) and Steve Young, Marsha Hanson to name a few. Late70s and early 80s. I’m having trouble attaching photos.
Sorry, the link is so long.
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Even in the all white era you can find red in the uniform.
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2 minutes ago, Continental said:
Sutathesaurus? What kind of a name is that?
Oops - get ready for the off-topic police.
It’s a family name. I’ve been around for centuries
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Just now, Continental said:
LOL
Oops. I'm not supposed to agree with you. Tag teaming once again.
My emotional support Llama tells me not to. I tell him to stop spitting at me.
Continental who?
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6 minutes ago, Continental said:
Its regular on my end.
It’s the font police watching👀
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2 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
i wasn't selling anything but if it makes you feel better I'll let you think you won.
Don’t bother.
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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
i didn't speak for you. I spoke to you.
Glad your cold is better......so you were speaking to me? Telling me if I don’t like it then go on line to complain? Really? That’s a bit of a stretch. Try to re-read what I’ve been posting.
Not buyin’ what you’re sellin’ Mr. Ream.
feel better
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1 hour ago, Cappybara said:
Oh you are the last person who I'd suspect wants to wish DCI away altogether so I am not saying that at all. Your passion for the activity has been noted and observed many times. If you are suggesting to expand open class/soundsport, then I am in agreement. I thought you were suggesting to move world class into a regional format as well which is what I am against.
Though it would bring more exposure to the Open Class./SoundSport activities let’s let WC do it’s thing and help finance these starter activities.
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1 hour ago, Continental said:
I would write a supportive comment, but yesterday I was emotionally scarred because you and I were accused of being a tag team duo.
Scars heal my friend.
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3 hours ago, Cappybara said:
The caps were unintentional, phones do funny things sometimes.
You may be surprised to discover (referring to the part that I bolded) that you do something very similar to others on here, just on the opposite end of the spectrum. Just some food for thought.
I personally think you're appealing to emotion here more than practicality. In theory, yes, it would be very virtuous of DCI to bring in more marchers of a lower economic bracket (and as a result also increase diversity since minorities often are in the lower economic bracket for various reasons) through a regional model filled with smaller corps that operate on a lower budget due to less travel. But DCI has to stay afloat in order to continue educating and serving the youth and in my opinion, the regional model would dilute the overall product, lower overall audience interest in the activity, and eventually lead to a decline in the activity as a whole.
Obviously, this is just conjecture, but it is based on differences in societal attitudes, trends, and economies between the 70s/80s and now. Just as an example, nowadays, many college students spend their summers doing paid/unpaid internships or work summer jobs. The job environment is fierce and college tuition is expensive. Even if DCI adopted a regional model that lowered time and money committment, I have doubts many would bite on the offer. It is just the reality of today.
I’ve tried to represent myself and the organization I’m associated with tact and respect. Please provide a post of mine where I dismissed someone for being too young so I can offer that person the appropriate apology. I’m not above being called out for being disrespectful. I will however, call out someone who is being less than respectful of me or others.
Your response to my post seems to suggest that I wish DCI away altogether. Nothing could be further from the truth. I think that if DCI gave more exposure to Open Class and SoundSport activities you could grow the activity faster offering opportunities to a more diverse demographic. It’s not that far a stretch for an organization as big as DCI. You could get your wish for “only the best” at nationals while those who aren’t up to your standards get the rest of the season to live the drum corps experience. I call that a win/win.
Thoughts?
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51 minutes ago, Cappybara said:
I'd rather quality over quantity. I'd rather see 15-20 quality products instead of 30-40 good but not excellent ones.
The times are different now than in the 70s and 80s and so are the demographics of those who participate in DCI. I'm not sure a regional model would really succeed because of that. Is there enough interest for it? Do enough people care about marching band to make an extensive regional structure successful?
My Opinion is that it will dilute the product and that those calling for it seem to be suffering from a case of nostalgia
It’s an opinion alright. (Like the caps on that BTW) but one I respectfully disagree with.
I’m getting really tired of being dismissed as “nostalgic” or a product of the 70’s and 80’s just because I’m a certain age. Some would consider that type of assumption as bigoted.....or dare I say, myopic.
Speaking as someone who had the incredible fortune of marching/competing in the DCI ranks, I value the experiences my fellow MMs and I had. To this very day I draw on life lessons learned on and off the field like respect, the value of hard work, to personally contribute to a group towards the group’s success to name a few.
Drum Corps is so much more than “fan entertainment”. If you only view it as quality over quantity proposition you’re missing the whole point of drum corps. Corny as that may seem to some folks, it’s true.
As for the demographics of today’s marchers? It’s dictated by the DCI organization. So be it. Doesn't mean there are young people out there that would like to participate but can’t afford it. That’s why I feel SoundSport might be a happy medium. A more affordable entry into the marching arts program. Being fairly new, they are more grassroots and not quite as “jaded” as WC corps. It’s bringing new people and fresh ideas to the activity.
Just tryin’ to bring the marching experience to more kids.
Guilty as charged.
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On 9/14/2019 at 7:04 AM, Sutasaurus said:
Perhaps the word circus was a bit harsh. Let’s go for spectacle instead. I mean no disrespect to the basic tenets of drum corps. Hard work, discipline, working in a group environment are all key take always for students and instructors alike.
I’ll try this again.... if travel, insurances, food, vehicles, fuel, horns, drums, costumes/uniforms aren’t expensive enough,corps are piling on more debt by adding amplification, props, theme changes every year just to stay relevant.
I’m a proponent of bagging the puffery and placing music and marching performance back in the members’ control. More of a grassroots approach to drum corps. There still is plenty of creative opportunity with drill color and music to entertain the masses.
I’m speaking for myself as a fan, but I get the feeling I’m not alone here. If a regional model can put more groups(SoundSport) on the field. I’m all for it!
The point I tried to make four pages ago.....
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23 minutes ago, GUARDLING said:
Yes I have worked for a non profit and to survive they had to totally think out of the box and realize that what worked yesterday was not going to move them forward...
If you think it can be done and kids today want this AND you think funds can be acquired, you need to let someone take the reigns and do it. It takes money and lots of it to start the very basic ( as I said ) guard or percussion group , let alone a full drum corps But HEY go for it, I do know what its like to start a group and it is far from the days of lets find a church basement for free and get a few kids in tee shirts.
Can there be community instruction on the arts? Sure, Cadets and Boston are doing this as well as BD etc etc. Making a drum corps is quite another story
There has also been corps who have given tuition free to some individuals. Corps have given over the years opportunity to those either deserving or who have the desire to work hard and contribute to what is needed for themselves. Corps , guards and percussion lines have also gone bust by some of the members because of good hearted directors who were taken advantage of...FACT!
Thanks for the conversation. We will have to agree to disagree I suppose. This is what makes the world go round as well as makes people think..one way or another 🙂
And I thank you for a thought provoking conversation. Much appreciated.
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13 minutes ago, GUARDLING said:
Again I will refer you to many things of the past that can not survive in todays world. Even a simple things like Boy Scouts of America. Look at membership from the 60s and 70 and look today. Different world
Objection to start up Drum corps? None at all, ever try it? how about a percussion line only, a guard only and I mean start up in 2019 world not BITD
You also ignored what I said about a simple dance recital. I have friends with kids under 10 that have had to spend thousands for a 1 or 2 night recital. and way more than that for the teen age child who decided they wanted to go into dance competitions
I didn’t ignore anything you posted. Ever work/volunteer in a not for profit????? Things can get accomplished today on a smaller budget than a DCI finalists’ budget. It can be done.
i’m happy your friends are providing arts education for their children. Very fortunate.
I volunteer @ a pantry that supplies food for over five hundred families who don’t know where their next meals are coming from. These folks can’t afford basic things let alone arts education for their kids. Wouldn’t it be nice if those kids had the same opportunity as your friends’ kids?
We are looking at this activity through very different lenses.
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3 minutes ago, Cappybara said:
Run while you can Jeff, there's no escaping the tag team duo of Continental and Sutasaurus once they get started 😂😂
May return the favor???
Hmmmmm.
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11 minutes ago, GUARDLING said:
Do you really believe regionally will attract the support, the members and will change cost that much? Take a bus out for even a few days is many thousands of dollars, feeding people does not change unless you are sending them home like 40 years ago, costuming/uniforms wont change . Staff cost, no change. As for show types, these kids love what they are doing and want nothing less, as we did BITD.
AS I said these members today have way more choices than we did as young people and they are just not looking for something to do.
Is cost crazy to march in Drum Corps , YES it is BUT what activity can you go away for 3 months, food and transportation for 3 months, instruction, costuming, equipment etc etc for the cost. Being a dancing little bumble Bee in a little kids dance recital is also over the top these days and the cost of 1 dance number for 1 performance can be more than uniforms for a season for a MM. Welcome to 2019
I do believe ( as you said )you may see in addition to what we have now an evolution ( which has started ) ( Sound sport Type ) whether it's on a field or not I'll reserve my opinions on that at the moment. I do believe though it may not be what you might be thinking.
Yes, it is an evolution that’s leaving kids that can’t afford the $$$$$$$$$ to march in DCI sanctioned organizations out in the cold. Not everything has to be measured in DCI dollars. There is economy in scale. What is the objection to start up drum corps? These organizations provide a starting point for many. If funds and desire permit then that student/instructor can ascend the ranks of they desire but at least they had the chance to try this activity without going into major debt.
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15 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
if you don't like it, you don't have to follow it then go online and complain.
The regional model has passed. you can't plan financially for a season where you don't know what your end game is
I’m sorry Mr. Ream, you’re wrong on this point. I may not care for the direction of today’s show design but I love drum corps. So much so, that I’m offering my ideas on how to get more people involved in the activity.
Please don’t speak for me and I’ll afford you the same courtesy.
Best regards,
Suta
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4 minutes ago, dans said:
Seems as though the future of drum corps and the free world hinges on the LGBTQ community...very strange.
Wuuuut?
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2020 Phantom Regiment
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Posted · Edited by Sutasaurus
Nope. I was on M&M staff then