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They could do a loop of 6 shows from La. Miss, Al and then Atlanta - go home - 2 wks off and then do Indy. With a lot of big corps probably 8 corps a night plus the Atlanta big show. This is what high school age kids want and can commit to. They want that DCI experience because that's what they relate to and hear from friends that already do it with others corps like Boston. Remember - they have a big connection with a bus company. Spartans used to do the same when they owned a bus company. DCI takes a different level of corp organization and experience - granted. I think TBT can handle that.

I threw that idea out there 2 years ago while I was with SD when Teal Sound was folding. My opinion is that we would better serve the members and our mission. They all want DCI anyway and we had to sell them on DCA (every year). The big clunker in my opinion is the interference with school. We start earlier in Florida. Then add in the lack of competitions in the radius I can see having an Open Class Corps with limited schedule and probably the big show would be at Atlanta. If funds were available then on to Indy. I do believe in the DCA concept of all age, weekend local drum corps but in Fla. it is very tough. Florida is always a good breeding ground for drum corps members but a Florida based corps has it's own unique problems. Teal Sound was a big success for a long time but I think they should have stayed in Open. Spartans do it well in Open and they even survived a management debacle. The mission of the drum corps should be paramount and always striving in that direction. I don't think its a bash against DCA but a move that will help TBT be a success. Florida may be more successful with one DCA and one DCI corps to satisfy the needs of all. This may also help SD as people will have a choice of direction.

Hey Ray, Good to hear ya. I'm results based on analysis. Less Mini-corps ? cause and effect on some points. Strutta has hit on a lot of other points. The trend is heading to zero.

I guess your right but I think I am really addressing the point of costs for these non-profit organizations and what there mission is. Keeping costs down should be the priority of all organizations who decide to participate in DCA competitions. Maybe I'm just missing the point. What does DCA actually get in return for this? I think we make assumptions that the stadium and services are free or very cheap in exchange. What would be the deal if there was no convention type arrangement? Could a venue be found that would not require this arrangement?

I like the outdoor venue of Allentown and street carnival atmosphere. You just showed up and threw down. When I was with Crusaders Sr. we just picked 20 people and showed up and played in an arc in 99. Next year at Syracuse it was more official with inside venue but still a party. I saw the deal in Rochester in 2009 when I was with the Sun Devils and it was still a party type venue but the hall was tough but still a good time. I don't like the idea of having it at the stadium. I think it should stay as music only with no movement even though when I first saw Ghost Riders do it in Syracuse on the stage it was cute. The more complicated you make it , the less people want to do it. I miss Mass Brass - Strutta, Billy Valley (Airs), Coulson and the whole gang. Fun times... When its not fun anymore, whats the point.

Being management part of a fledgling DCA corps from 2007-2013 I got to learn about the issue of Championship weekend. I went to the DCA meetings in the winter and heard the talk about host city and the "convention" type relationship. To me it came down to if you give us this we'll give you that. The drum corps had to be the conventioneers and plunk down $$$ so that the host city would give DCA a venue and support. This seemed to work for years when the average age was all old school. Now things have changed and I hear the old school people questioning why the big deal. It's a big deal. DCA drum corps has changed and offers the young member a chance to be in drum corps - at less expense, less travel, be at home, all local members, NOT DCI style. I would call it a resurgence of old school drum corps especially for youth and young people. Money is a a big deal. I do not think that the drum corps should bear any burden for supporting the championship venue other than performing. Performing should be the legal tender. It's up to the promoters to sell the product if they want to make a buck to support themselves which in turn gives the drum corps places to perform. I am sure a venue can be found that would be fine and allow the drum corps the option of less expensive housing. ( The housing is the only issue here ). Many corps may still elect hotels, all the alumni's and mini-corps would probably take hotels. We need to give drum corps help in growing and staying solvent. This is a big budget buster for many let alone an issue for members that are still in school. Times have changed and some members don't mind sleeping on a gym floor. Personally I liked Allentown, I liked the street performances of I&E, and the history of drum corps there. DCI does it there ok. Why not DCA? I don't want to get into the share point system because it becomes convoluted to me.

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Just to comment on the issue of running a young corps. I do like the Labor Day weekend DCA concept but the young corps will always have an issue with Labor day. As more corps get younger, the kids/members can't do the DCA championships, even college age. I know y'all will have the exception stories but I think the trend will be youth and it will be for kids who can't do DCI. an open class DCI corps in Fla may have a better chance. I do applaud TBT as they are a well run, prepared organization that doesn't try to do more than they can. Survival instincts.

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Yes I remember Billy. He lived on Lexington St I remember. Are you in contact with him ?

I have a friend of mine from Dorchester and we raced motorcycles together for years in the 70's and 80's. Then one day in 1994 I said that I had re-discovered something from my youth, drum and bugle corps and that I was joining the Crusader Sr. Corps. and that I needed to find the rehearsal site and I was unfamiliar with all of Dorchester. He said he was VERY familiar and that his whole family was in St. Kevins Emerald Knights. He knew exactly where the hall was in Lower Mills. In his family he was NOT allowed to associate with any Boston Crusaders. His brother was SKEK DM in 62 and my friend grew up as a Chip, Gem and a SK Emerald Knight. Funny that we never knew that about each other.

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The Sun Devils are also looking for votes !!! we need a new set of Brass to help our plans for 2012 !! also please share the link with friends Sun Devils Chase Link

Sun Devils Inc. will be holding the annual Board of Directors meeting on this Sat. Oct 29th 12 noon at Frostproof High School. This will be to hold elections and work on a plan and budget for 2012. All SD members past and present are welcome and anyone interested in joining the corps as a volunteer or as a Board member can attend. message me for more info or directions

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The decision to stop rehearsing in Jan. was based on lack of funds and future difficulty in raising enough money to complete a full schedule. That set in motion our disconnect with the school we were using and the use of the Bb brass and front ensemble. Furthermore the indecision in Feb to continue on left members adrift and they scattered to the wind. Game over. Now we start from "almost" scratch again. At least we have a name that people know now when before it was just an idea. If we can assemble Brass instruments and a trailer then it may be possible to try again with a new plan. We have about 1/3 of what we need for capital funds and that is a great hurdle to over come at this point. Hind sight is 20/20 and we could have gone regional in my opinion but we can't go back in time. So we start again and march in parade next week using G bugles and a portion of the old membership.

I hear ya about the travel issue and I was hoping that DCA south would become a force and help support each other. My personal thoughts on this DCA South thing. Some corps just want to go to DCA finals and some just want to compete locally to save money. Labor Day is an issue especially with some drum corps having high school members. I believe at Sun Devils we could have come out if we did a limited schedule and dropped the DCA Finals. The mission of the drum corps should be to provide the experience the members are looking for. If we did 2 DCA Florida shows ( we would have sponsored a show) , 2 DCA Georgia shows, add in a DCI Orlando or DCI Carolina Show. That wold make a lot of people happy especially if the last DCA South show was treated as a DCA South Championship. If we could do the Baltimore parade tour and make some money and compete at S Sound show - that would work also. I like going to DCA finals but I don't if that's the end all be all.

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The Muchachos have made there way from 35th to 22nd in the past 2 weeks. They need all your support and votes as they are very close to the elite top 15. Vote Muchachos !! You can use your FB account or sign up directly with Pepsi to vote and vote daily You can also vote via text message and vote daily in addition We also need any Yellow cap codes or ID's off 12 packs of pepsi for Power votes worth anywhere from 5-100 votes - these have had the most impact - just PM me to get those codes working !!! The Sun Devils are in full support of all DCA corps that are in this Pepsi Refresh Project including Fusion Core.