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There are years Xmen might have been a finalist with this show, but not too many. Spirit has a finalist show and has been performing like a finalist for several weeks. They seem to have never leveled off. Glassmen seemed Better than last I saw them, but the show doesn't work. Yes, Troopers have an emotional but safe show. Think Spirit can maybe move up a spot over Stars with Troopers 13th and Glassmen 14th

Thought Crossmen, Spirit, and Crown were the big standouts tonight. Crossmen are good but too safe to compete with SOA. Spirit's show has as much musical variety as Crown. With as much as Spirit has improved this year and how sound the technique is, this could be the start of something really fun to each. I was really impressed. Crown was really on tonight despite how dry the stadium is. I am starting to reconsider them as a dark horse.

After multiple live viewings and fannetwork nights with popcorn and a tasty brew, or two, here are my predictions. They are based on the current sheets, but I will also give my opinion based on how I wish the sheets would reward design and achievement. Hoping Michael Cesario can use his extensive knowledge, experience, and insight to elevate the activity's entertainment value and artistic merit. 1) CADETS. My opinion, The Cadets; I sense that though BD has the performance thing worked out, the scoring still favors GE and achievement of what and how. In that regard, Cadets have no comparison in 2011. 2) BLUE DEVILS My opinion, Crown; Though the visual program is not as fresh at it may could be, this is an extremely entertaining show every time I see it and the achievement of each section, remarkable 3) CAVALIERS My opinion, Cavaliers; Like Crown's visual year to year sameness, it all still works well. I feel they are exploring some very interesting horizontal event concepts and perform like champs. 4) CROWN My opinion, Blue Devils; The show was more exciting earlier in the season. They are very adept at reflecting the sheets. Unfortunately the music side of the sheets barely reward repertoire. Like the past few years, the crowd reaction at the end clearly shows that though confidence and professionalism is displayed, connecting with the audience on an emotional level just isn't comparable to the corps around them. 5) PHANTOM My opinion, Phantom; They try to be the best of their own brand of drum corps and this year's offering is no exception. Performance level is great. Guard has found itself. Percussion survived quite well. 6) BLUECOATS My opinion, Bluecoats; There should be a scoring gap here. I am not comparing them to last year, just comparing them to the great corps on either side. They are a fantastic corps. 7) SVC My opinion, SCV; Not my favorite show at all. I like to be challenged, but I am paying A LOT of money to be entertained as well. I want to know why they seem to always get the benefit of the doubt, especially in brass this year. Love this corps, not this show. 8) BOSTON My opinion, Blue Knights; A solid corps that I simply enjoy more than Boston. 9) BLUE KNIGHTS My opinion, Boston; see above. 10) MADISON My opinion, Madison; The formula has worked well two years in a row which is very smart. The visual program is suspect for me. The percussion section is just too harsh and a musical for my taste. 11) BLUE STARS My opinion; Spirit of Atlanta; Even when not considering Spirit's hype this year, they are simply a great drum corps with tradition, state of the art, and innovation all in their show. One of my favorites this year. Though lots of fans have their loyalties to different corps to make finals, Spirit not grabbing the final spot or one higher would be a genuine shock. 12) SPIRIT OF ATLANTA My opinion, Blue Stars; This corps made an exciting rise the last few years and simply didn't hit the mark this season. That is OK. Find Spirit to be more entertaining and unique to the activity.

1. Cadets 2. Phantom 3. Cavies 4. Crown 5. Bluecoats 6. Spirit 7. Blue Knights 8. BD 9. Pacific Crest 10. Blue Stars 11. Academy 12. Troopers

I must say I agree with this assessment, though Boston and Madison should be close in my opinion. It is a matter one doing more, but both corps performing on the same level. The SOA and Troopers thing is the real surprise. I like both corps, but have no trouble seeing the huge differences in design and performance between the two. Maybe it is hard to put one of DCI's sweet heart corps down to a possible new kid on the block.

I agree with oldsoprano. Such posts are a real shame and partly what is wrong with sites where you get to hide behind an avatar or site name. So I recommend getting a girl friend, boy friend, puppy, or heart for something in drum corps rather than simply placements and bashing young people you don't know. I enjoyed Spirit last year. For those of us lucky enough to see their last show, it was inspired and a real pleasure to see and hear. The crowd that was there seemed to agree with me. Standing O started 30 seconds before they were done. This year's show seems pretty cool to me. I am also guessing Film Noir. Lots of exciting things to draw on and maybe some old Spirit types of music as well.

Great to see the staff consistency, a big step forward for this corps. If 2011 improves as much as 2009 to 2010, it should be one hell of a season. Good work Spirit of Atlanta (boy, it's fun to type that). Great staff pick ups BTW.

Watch the catwalk cam on the fan network and you can see most of the crowd. Though fans were seated end zone to end zone, there were a lot of empty seats.

Not sure what you mean. Seems you are saying Crossemen should be sweeping them in music, but not visual.??? If so, I do not agree at all. Spirit seems clearly above them musically and visually.

Yeah, it was late, however "allusive" kind of works in a very long stretch save face kind of reaching for it way. "Elusive" would be better. Saying that I found Phantom to be good but not communicating to the audience as if behind a glass wall is more accurate of my take on the performance. A glass wall that does not block sound. Does such exist? If so, is there a show idea there?

A great drum corps night with an awesome and receptive crowd. Bluecoats on fire and I cannot see them stopping for anyone at this point until they hit BD and Cadets. Boston has some super moments and are early season ready. We will see where depth takes them. Regiment is great as always, but seemed too allusive. Welcome Surf to another year of word class. Cute show and strong guard. Crown is a great drum corps, but see Bluecoats passing them soon. Not enough in Crown's show as of now. Crossmen are good but not great. Last few finals spots needs corps that are good, take a few risks, and are unique. This isn't it. Sorry. Spirit is good, taking some risks, and are unique. A great musical book helps. Drum line and horns are surely top twelve. Guard is getting close. Overall a very solid show from several levels of corps. I will do a full review tomorrow. Good night.

LOVE LOVE LOVE Spirit's new uniform. As some have said, very unique. I like its clean look and think there is plenty of baby blue. The design really makes the blue pop. Think it also fits their show perfectly.

Well, we had to delay our trip by a day. That is the reason I had not yet reported on seeing Spirit. Three of us headed down yesterday and made a few fun spot stops along the way. People talk about famous BBQ from different places. Though maybe not the most talked about, I think some peeps in South Carolina are on top of the BBQ game. I understand from a volunteer that it is a good thing we waited a day (girlfriend issues BTW, not mine however), seems that just as they were to do a run of the show two days ago, the city had a blackout and the corps was left standing on the starting line in the dark. Would have sucked for us to drive and then not see a run. We tried to not be too conspicuous so we stood back for a while until someone invited us into the stadium. A great place for rehearsal and a great possible show venue. We talked all the way home about what we saw and heard. We were all basically in shock. To be honest, we did not know what to expect and really had nothing to go on since the corps has been pretty quiet all winter. Their effort to turn things around and be a new and improved Spirit is working in spades. The show is a mess as I am sure everyone's is, but we all walked away wanting to see it again, even as is. Their show theme is super evident and I think works great. The beginning clearly sets you up in a steel mill where you hear lots of building sounds, machines coming to life and metal clanks. The guard carries the role of blacksmith or I guess steel worker very well. They use large hammers in the opener that help sell the theme. They look heavy as if hard to spin, but we were impressed with their precision. The opening sequence is exciting and builds really well. The first front field hit was a a holy cow moment. Different chunks of drill come together as the horn line delivers some impressive sound. The opener then takes off and we get more of the manufacturing feel but in a lot of various ways. The staging of events is great and every section is featured in the opener alone. We kept talking about finding a section that is not quite up to the rest of the corps' level, couldn't find one. The end of the opener is paced well and ends with the musicians charging at you. It catches you off guard as it builds. The next thing you know brass and drums are at the front side line in a long block, then two boxes rotate onto the 50 yard line as the guard stretches across the field. The last few bars are rhythmic and LOUD. All the Bernard Herman stuff is cool and fits the show well. The ballad is very pretty, lush, and refreshingly different. There are about five of six brass soloist throughout. All were very well played, something you rarely hear from a non-finalist corps. The middle section is fast and harkens back to some of the feel of the opener. It provided great contrast for when it slows back down suddenly and the brass play a standing hit. Though it isn't perfected, this will be a great brass moment. The scoring is unique and again, it is very lush and memorable. The ballad goes right into a percussion feature. It is probably only a minute long but it is very entertaining. New manufacturing sounds (drills, air pressure guns, hammers) fit into this kind of cool funk feel. I assume it will end with a little more flash than it has now, certainly considering the guard is not in on this moment yet. The corps then arced it up and played the closer. They sounded good on the move, but our biggest shock of the night was hearing this tune with the corps standing still. Zonkers Batman, if they figure our how to deliver this sound and technique on the move, unless every corps is having their best year in a decade, this will turn some heads but quick. Mixed meter, louds, softs, more section features, cool percussion stuff and a great ending. The drums and pit sound great and according to my percussion friend, they were more than displaying top 12 skills. But for me, that horn line was the most impressive thing. Someone has addressed the trumpet sound and has gotten that section to deliver a few great "burn" moments that will rival any trumpet section. The guard looks full (counted 35) and does not seem at all to be the corps' weakness as in the past few years. It was good to hear and see Jude Boughton turning that part of the corps around quickly. The ensemble was run well. Members seemed turned on and checked in. It was hard to tell horn holes in that members were in and out of drill. A volunteer said some high school students are still trickling in and that a few more are expected today. I did hear a staff member mention there were a few open brass spots. I would highly recommend anyone marching this show. Could be one of those really important and special years for this drum corps. On the way home we kept talking about how it all seemed so new and different, unexpected really for any corps. If you stumbled upon them rehearsing, you would not guess it was Spirit. I am not slamming their past at all. It is just so aggressive and well constructed, not at all a show designed to be safe. The visual and musical package seems as if the staff decided to write a high demand and high effect show and then just expect the members to rise to the occasion. Seems to be working. Last time a corps surprised me this much was Boston 2000. Hope the members realize what they got and are able to max it out. Fun trip and worth taking the day off and dealing with a friend's angry girl friend. Best of Luck Spirit! We will see you in Fort Mill. PS Didn't see the uniform. Will have to wait.

I was one of those people last year that enjoyed Spirit. Finalist, no. But hat horn line and drum line in 17th, no way (as a corps, not in captions). Heard from a friend that they are only a few hours away from me and some of my drum corps cohorts. We have all decided to take tomorrow off an go check out rehearsal. I am excited to see and hear what is going on there based on the rumors. Would be cool to see the new uniform but I assume it is under lock and key.

Sorry if this is a repeated take on all of this; I have not read this entire thread. The DCW article seems more accurate/revealing of very recent events than the DCP/DCI published article. http://www.drumcorpsworld.com/articles.cfm?id=811 After several months away from DCP, I was prompted to visit the site because I was informed by friends on staff at several corps (G7 and non-G7) of the current restructuring issue. The story I was told follows the DCW article pretty accurately, though tempered, from what my staff friends have stated. This restructuring of tour was brought up at the January meeting, but the real scare happened just a week or so ago when the G7 tried to push the changes through now, creating a rift between corps at a time when move-ins are here and everyone is busy with the most important issue of this month, setting their members up for success with the weeks prior to tour. Not that I have a ton of sources, these four friends, representing both sides of the "argument" told me the same account of recent events. So I assume there to be a lot of truth to the story. Both sides admit to self preservation as the motivation for their opinions. The basic summary from my prospective based on what I have been told and read is that the G7 assume DCI is crashing and they want to save themselves by greatly boosting their money intake; save themselves and let the rest slowly fold as money and performance venues dry up. The non-G7 (isn't it awful even to type such labels?) see themselves as part of a larger youth driven activity designed to compete and provide an extra ordinary experience that cannot be had in any other way. This motivates their sense of self-preservation at this time and a concern for all corps to survive. Basically, the non-G7 feel that the "power corps" want them gone, period. I was told the communication between directors was far from professional or positive. To quote one friend, "it was like a dictator was all at once in power and took the 'less fortunate' by surprise, guns blazing and stomping on the dead as they move forward with the take over." This friend is not one for high drama or exaggeration. Coming from him, it was this statement that scared me most. Some entries of this thread state that there could be some good things with the proposal. Though I am a huge advocate for organizations constantly evaluating their effectiveness and though I have always tried to stay optimistic with changes in DCI, this scares me greatly and represents the first time I have truly feared the end of the activity. Not the activity as we know it, but the activity all together. Staff friends on both sides of the issue were/are angry, frustrated, and worried. I listened and asked questions but did not yet give my opinion to them. I have wanted to have a week to think this all through as objectively as I can. I see nothing good with what I was told is really being proposed and in what way it is being proposed. The published accounts seem to be very watered down and designed to delay or prevent disgruntled fans as we quickly approach the summer with stadiums that need to be filled with happy fans paying for tickets that do help insure the future existence of all corps.

Well, the corps certainly seems to be making some much needed changes. I think a lot started last season. I am one of those people that liked them the first time I saw them last year. Though the show had some issues, at least it had a pulse and was trying something besides the cookie-cutter stuff so prevalent in the 10-23 placement area. I had not seen Spirit perform with that kind of energy and excitement for decades. When I saw them during finals week, it was evident the show did not clean up and it wasn't built for indoors at all. Fix the guard and clear out that music book. Awesome job on the move. I am eager to see the new uniform too. Please do not go back the old 1980 styled Spirit shows. Though I loved it and will always have good memories, there is a great reason why corps like BD started to alter their style change years ago. The gospel, jazz, big band thing is not competitive now for many reasons. You also would NEVER be able to do anything that would allow anyone to make a direct comparison to the "glory years." Spirits also not had a real style of their own for a very long time, why go back 20 years to something that cannot be replicated. Be exciting, find you own new style. I do not care if you are called Spirit or Spirit of Atlanta. I care that you are around so if this move helps insure that, awesome. Best of Luck Spirit!

No, not really. There hundreds/thousands of blues. Dark navy on one end and the lightest blue imaginable (almost white) on the other end. Baby blue is named after a male infant's traditional blanket color. Some might call that powder blue. It is all semantics. As mentioned in a previous post, I think they could pick a MUCH lighter blue than Devils or Bluecoats and be closer to the lighter end of the blue spectrum without picking a true powder or baby blue. It needs to have punch and strength to it.

With the opportunity to get a new uniform or look for Spirit, here is my 2 cents. Spirit, please look more forward and don't look back too much. The corps' glory years are so far back, you will only be appeasing a very small percentage of drum corps fans. You have some staff members with a lot of success in their collective pasts. They must have forward vision. What do they want the uniform to be? What will today's members want to wear? They are after all young people born since 1988 or so. If they saw a corps live or on video when they were ten years old it would probably have been the 1998 season. They probably want to look new, cool, different from other groups, progressive. What will the music direction continue to be? If it is "Georgia" and "Old Man River", stop there and rethink if you want to be competitive. If you keep exploring rock or rock influenced sounds, baby blue and a big sequin delta makes no sense. If last year was supposed to provide a more accessible Spirit..I think you did that, but move it forward more, make it modernly competitive. If that is the agenda, what uniform will offer that without going too far? As with how this activity goes, if you are good, most fans like your show, and you are more competitive, the uniform will become part of that new image, and it will all take care of itself after that. Good luck with that new uniform. And one more thing, as far as Cesario ney sayers go, think about how many high school, college, and corps uniforms he has done and the high percentage of great looks he has created. I think they are in good hands.

I love when adults think they are defending themsleves while trying to make their point(s) more strongly when in actuality they are clearly further strengthening the opposition's point(s). Your obligatory jabs at the staff's intentions or feelings as well and more non-factual rhetoric is also a sign of your insatiable need to have a voice somewhere. Get HBO or a puppy.

Dude, you crack me up. From your posts on a previous discussion board that is now dead due to overt bashing and just icky BS in my opinion, to this board, you post A LOT and usually have your "facts" wrong, or at least your opinions based on unsupported conjecture. Agreeing with a previous poster, "Dust in the Wind" was very recognizable yet different and inventive. The closer "Journey from Mariabronn" was also very recognizable, if you know the tune. Since you claim to have all the box sets, I assume you know this, certainly since it is one of the group's favorites. The closer hit all the major points and the melodies were pretty much straight up in the arrangement. Though "Point of Know Return" was listed early with other rep, it wasn't used. That is why you don't recognize it. I think the opener ended up being just "Song for America" and "Carry On". Again, if you know the band, you know these tunes. Beginning of the show was very recognizable as "Song For America" and then clearly "Carry On" beginning with the bari solo and mellos. I agree the opener wavered too much and lost direction, however, you cannot say, as a Kansas fan, that you "cant recognize the songs." The ballad and closer were more than obvious. I never though the corps was trying to be "cool" for the sake of being cool. I thought they were trying to not be a copy cat cookie cutter corps. Some things worked, some did not.

My first review of the 2009 season. I have tried to stay open minded until I have seen everyone for myself. First, seems all have steeped it up this year. Many good things from everyone and a welcomed surprise for the season; Spirit seems to be taking this image change thing seriously. I was a fan of Spirit's early season announcements, but wasn't quite sure how it would all come together. You will see I have a lot of positive to say. Colt Cadets: Very well done design that fits them well and has the audience entertained beyond "look how cute." The show makes sense from a story line stand point and all captions seem fairly equal in strength. Revolution: Though I am not sure the show theme is very clear, it is obvious that they have some very strong players and a staff that is giving high level instruction. The guard is large for the corps size, and creates a fair amount of visual effect. The percussion is very strong and the parts are well-written and musical. Capital Regiment: First, welcome back. Though the score was close to Revolution, I felt CR to be stronger in all areas. Pioneer: Yes, I agree with others that this is a better show, better corps. Though the visual book is much improved, it is not at the level that previous scores showed. The theme is well, Irish music with drill and guard work...and that is OK. Though I enjoyed the previously discussed corps, I have more to say about the following three groups. Spirit: The pre-show stage directions from the megaphone add a lot to setting the theme. The pacing and inflection has to be worked out more, but that seems like it would be easy to constantly tweak. After mic checks and a short run of a drum solo, cues for "house music" then "lights" etc. flow well as the corps builds to the first hit. The hit is perfectly timed with "Live in concert". It was loud and confident. The mood quickly shifts and we get recognizable themes from "Carry On." There are several phrases that lead to a deconstructed kind of moment where a long phrase builds into their next hit. Again, loud, energized, and lots of rock attitude. Some very fast effective drill and power chords end the opener. Though other posters have stated the horn line doesn't not play, my impression was quite the opposite. They play a lot, and most on the move, unlike Colts or Scouts. The ballad will be a DCI highlight of the summer. Beautiful arrangement and the staging and movement is high quality stuff. I have a strong music background, but I have lots of visual arts training so depth of visual construction is always on my mind. This show is full of it. I hate to admit I would not have expected this level of staging and layers of variety in a Spirit visual show. The horn hit is breath taking. It all needs work, but what is there is pretty awesome. I love the transition to the closer. Talk about high energy and GE, as this movement is preformed better and better, wow. Great use of drums and drum set. The voice over at the end before the company front is a 10. I didn't feel the electronics or the bass to over used at all. They all add to the flavor of the show in a legit rock way. This is a "for real" Spirit and from what I understand, the first win in world class in over 4 or 5 years. Colts: My first impression is that they are clean. The nautical them is pretty evident, though not to the point that it adds to a full understanding of what motivates the different areas of the show. The marching starts of fairly well but falters as the shows progresses. My first thought was fatigue, but the are not very challenged physically. The guard is good an contributes well. Spinning the oars seems a little cheesy, but it works. A straight forward opener shows some nautical themes that I know from movie sound tracks. The horns sound good on big tutti moments, but I would like to hear more challenge. The electronic use boosts the low brass sound a lot. It is well blended, but all tutti moments start to sound the same. The next part of the show is pretty and flows well, it just is a little predictable. The drum exposure shows some depth weakness but also moments where they sound very good. The drill works very logically and has moments staged where they should be staged. I just kept wanting more. Their current GE is elevated by their confidence and clarity due to cleanliness. This is a good solid corps with a good solid show. It will be interesting to see how it stacks up in a few weeks. Scouts: They are better than last year and earlier. All sections are very aggressive and they certainly go for it. It felt that they gave more punch at times than Spirit or Colts. As the show starts with the guard all in red robes, a lot of intrigue is created. Following sound effects in the pit, a musical build delivers the first loud hit and the red robes come off to expose the guard dressed as super heros. Other that the loud punch, I am not sure what causes them to need to take off the cape. The rest of the opener the becomes drill to music. The theme is not so evident. There are a lot of block forms and big connected pictures like old Scouts. The horn line goes for it which creates good volume but some distracting sounds. The drums are very aggressive, but pretty dirty. The ballad is pretty, though maybe a little long. Pow, Bam, Zing sound effects are used to add some comic book flavors to the show. They work very well. This is where the theme becomes strong again. The music then become very dissonant and chromatic. The guard changes to become more angular, angry? There is fighting with horn members and then themselves. More chromatic music and crunches ensue and the guard runs around more aggressively. I felt the guard was carrying the kind of fighting super hero well, but the story line was hard to follow. The guard kills one guy, the the music becomes more tonal and dramatic. The dead hero comes to life and the show ends. Their energy is more old Madison which is welcomed. I wonder about the depth of show design and the depth of performance. The drums seemed to have a rough evening. Changes could help this performing group stay in finals. I am open minded to think maybe they just had a few things go wrong tonight and my read is affected. We will see. I am eager to see these groups again. My first impression of these last three is that Spirit simply has more depth of talent in all sections and a lot more depth in show design. Though I am a fan of Colts and especially Madison of the past, I am excited to see Spirit really making an effort to make a name for themselves this summer. Should be very interesting over the next few weeks.

As has been the case for several seasons, the 10-17 race has been incredibly fun to watch. This year seems to be no different and last night's show in Milwaukee shows us that not only is his race gonna be fun, but that some real surprises could be unfolding. I am specifically talking about Spirit. I thought they clearly deserved the win and feel their potential is scary good. Though Madison had more punch in places and Colts were the cleanest of the three by far, Spirit' show is new, unique, exciting (very exciting), and has tons of depth for scoring well in all captions, especially those captions that many of us tend to easily over look, visual ensemble and visual GE (beyond just having a few big moves). Their visual book is so intricate and chock full of variety and intrigue, that cleaning should continue to shoot those captions up toward box 5, even over some of the top 8 groups from last season. My art training has me always looking for depth of visual construction (it is almost a disease) and this show has it in spades. Congrats Spirit. Well done.

Just when I compare drum corps to professional sports, like people having favorites and trashing other groups, etc. I remind myself that it isn't the same in many ways. Professional sports is never going away. Professional sports has few newbies, no team really goes away. Professional sports is $ and is tied to lots of $ in many associated side industries. Professional sports players are not 15-21 years old in non-for-profit organizations. On, and on. Its cool to have favorites and have friendly banter about who will beat who, etc. But why so nasty? Drum corps is a delicate entity that can easily go away for any number of reasons. I agree with other posters, have favorites, support all. Any how, I digress. Spirit seems to be on to something. With an approach that harkens back to their truly entertaining days, use of electronics (as fits their newly chosen genre and not many others), using music many people know and most people really like (except that guy that keep reminding us he hates Kansas), this show title announcement is a perfect package in which to place their previous announcements. Neat, easy to get, pretty wide open for creativity without having to be esoteric. Along with staff changes, it has to be an improvement, possibly a great one. May take a few years, but if the staff gels together well and stays together, considering their combined successes outside Spirit, I can't imagine things not looking up for the south's most celebrated corps.

Leave a thread for a day or so and come back to find it has lost its way. Back to the original topic of Spirit's show announcement: The more I think about the idea of Kansas, the more I like it, I liked it to begin with. I have listened a lot and I am young enough to not consider myself old school (some are suggesting Kansas is not current enough???). I find so much of the music to be really exciting. I hope they really embrace the energy of the original music and let it have that acoustic and electronic drive. I can not help but think all announcements are a real positive for them. If I was looking to march somewhere, especially if I lived anywhere in the Southeast, I would head to Spirit. It is just a feeling combined with the logic of their hires and music choice. Go get em Spirit

You edited my post because you do not agree with it? Not sure of your point. Did you mean we do not agree with each other's posts so "we kind of agree"? You hating Billy Joel is just that and is not a basis for why Kansas may or may not work for Spirit. Though some would agree with you that the top six "earn the benefit of the doubt", since it is a youth activity needing positives to continue to exist, can we not give all the benefit of a doubt? I do not see any of this as a creating a new identity from all their years, just their ambiguous years; recapturing their old positive identity through a venue that fits 2009 and has built in energy. What worked for them in 1979 was great for then. No corps will go back and do those things the same way. As far as some undone material from southern/gospel/etc., yes, there is more, but why would they want to be compared to their glory years when it isn't possible? If those years were much more recent, I could maybe buy it.